Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Boston Red Sox captains

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 16:40, 1 July 2008 [1].

Boston Red Sox captains[edit]

Self-nom: I greatly expanded and worked on this list, and believe it meets the criteria. RedThunder 20:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Gary King (talk) 15:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Use en dashes per WP:DASH for numerical ranges such as "1908-present" and "1901-1907".
  • I don't think any of the years need to be linked. They don't add much more for the reader to help understand the article, and per MOS:UNLINKYEARS.
  • Unbold all that bold in the lead. Perhaps bold "team captains for the Boston Red Sox" but remove any links in all bold text, per WP:LEAD.
 Done RedThunder 09:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "as the Sox.[2]" – remove italics, and change to "as "the Sox".[2]"

Otherwise, Support.

Gary King (talk) 17:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • "From 1912 to the present, the Red Sox have played in Fenway Park" - beforehand (i.e. from the start of this list?)
  • "Most fans simply refer to them as the Sox." - prove it, or else it's WP:OR.
  • "This role has been particularly important during eras and situations in which managers and coaches have been precluded by the rules from interacting with players on the field while the game is in progress." - again, prove it. Sounds good but needs citation.
  • Gaps in captains from 1923 to 1940, 1942 to 1966, 1967 to 1969, 1989 to 2005... needs explanation otherwise the list looks far from complete.
  • Dick Hoblitzel caption needs no period as it's a fragment.
  • Ref 16 has a spare period.

That's ma lot. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done RedThunder 21:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Perhaps you could add explanations about why there were several long periods where there was no captain. Also, you should add at least one reliable source list of captains. The sources prove that those individuals were captains, but they don't prove that there wasn't anyone else, which is why a list source would be great. -- Scorpion0422 22:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done RedThunder 13:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Matthew
  • Wagner and Yastrzemski should be in different rows for each time they captained.
  • Authors for references 9 and 16 please
  • Reference 13 is a footnote

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC) Comments[reply]

  • What does the opening sentence offer? "The following is a list of team captains for the Boston Red Sox American League franchise". We can gather this information from the article's title
    • Find a way to engage the reader, other than "The following is a list of team captains for the Boston Red Sox". Articles don't begin with "The following is an article about blue iguanas."
  • An explanation and references for why there are no captains in the periods when there aren't. Right now it could be that you don't know and put that there as an easy way to get around it.
    • Apologies, I didn't see that ref 6 covers everything. You can remove it if you want! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • This shows the average reader that everything is covered with sources, contrary to what some believe about Wikipedia, so I think I will keep it there. RedThunder 16:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The New York Times, Boston Herald and Boston Globe are publications, so they should be italicized in the references. And wikilinked.
 Done RedThunder 13:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done RedThunder 16:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Comment[reply]

  • How and why were there times when they had no captain? Buc (talk) 07:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There were periods of time where there was no captian awarded on the team, but no source says why. The book only says "no captain period of time. RedThunder 21:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The "this is a comprehensive list" thing is bad. Don't force the bolded title thing. Drewcifer (talk) 16:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done RedThunder 21:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • Why say no captain in 1923 when you have two in the table that captained in 1923? Same for '42 and '69.
    • Carl Yastrzemski row is repeated.
    • what about 1984?
    • I know you've sourced the lack of captains but it needs to be explained in the lead as well - it's unusual. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How did Harry Hooper become captain when he wasn't even active? Annoyomous24 (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • In the sentence, "They are a member and current champions of both the Major League Baseball’s (MLB) American League Eastern Division and of the American League (AL).", They are a member shouls be They are members.
    • This list should be names List of Boston Red Sox captains.
    • You should divide the captains from the Boston Americans by putting Boston Americans above the captains from the Boston Americans and Boston Red Sox below the captains from the Boston Americans.
    • If all of that is finished, I'll support. Annoyomous24 (talk) 22:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Repeat comment
    • What happened in 1984? No captain? It needs noting.
    • "No captain 1924–1940[6]" but then the next row says Foxx started in 1940...
    • Same for "No captain 1990–2005[6]".
  • Clear these up and I'm done. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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