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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 21:11, 15 June 2008 [1].

List of Los Angeles Lakers first and second-round draft picks[edit]

This is a list of the draft history of the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers. I believe it qualifies under the criteria for featured lists. I also believe it's ready for this process. I am sure there are going to be arguements, I'll try my best to answer them. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Lead seems pretty short, with also several stub paragraphs. Perhaps merge and expand?
  • Format references using {{cite web}} and include title, url, publisher, and accessdate.
  • Unlink years per MOS:UNLINKYEARS.
  • Use en dashes for date ranges per WP:DASH. DONE!
  • "Draft selections" → "draft selections" DONE!
  • "season.[1]Teams" – missing a space DONE!

Gary King (talk) 19:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment This page should be renamed to List of Los Angeles Lakers first and second-round draft picks because it does not mention every draft pick.--Crzycheetah 21:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC) DONE![reply]
  • Oppose Please include publisher information, date published, titles and accessdates in references. What makes SportsStats and Lakers Universe reliable sources? Could you provide an explanation of the circumstances for draft pick trades? "Traded to Toronto" and "From Dallas" does not offer the reader much to go on. I suggest you say "The Lakers traded XX to the Toronto Raptors in exchange for the xx pick in the xxxx draft." In the "Notes" section of the table, could you also include any awards or honors the draftees had/have received during their career? Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 16:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll try doing the draft trades area but I don't know if I can do the others. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I believe this nomination is a little premature.
    • Lead needs to be expanded to include more info on first steps of the Lakers in the draft process, how drafts worked during the first years(there were more rounds before 1988), and how successful the drafted players were.
    • This page states that the Lakers first participated in 1957, but I see at 1950 NBA Draft that the Lakers had a first round pick. It means this list isn't as comprehensive as appears to be.
    • Also, you listed Jamaal Tinsley and then added a note saying that he was traded to the Grizzlies. In reality, though, Grizzlies drafted Tinsley and traded to the Pacers. The ref you cited does not talk about this at all.
  • As Nishkid has already mentioned,
    • References need more info than just url and title.
    • LakersUniverse is not a reliable source. Have to find better sources.
    • Trade notes should be more detailed, see Memphis Grizzlies draft history for an example.

--Crzycheetah 22:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Jim King is missing here, he was drafted in the second round of the 1963 NBA Draft. I suggest withdrawing this nomination seeing that no second round picks from 1957-1977 are listed here.--Crzycheetah 22:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I found a better reference page but the only thing is that I don't have time to edit since I don't have my own computer. I also have homework and exams to study. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 22:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Is there any reason why this is limited to the Lakers first and second round picks? A complete list of Lakers picks including later rounds would not be unmanageably long and would be more complete. Obviously this is complete for its limited criteria, but I'd much prefer a full list. matt91486 (talk) 20:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you seen the list of the Lakers draftr history on basketballreference.com? If you did, you should notice that the the early NBA days, there used to be at most 17 draft picks and at least 4 draft picks and I seriously don't think it could be done because it's seriously too long. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 17:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • Four paras in the lead seems excessive if you follow WP:LEAD.
  • Spend a moment explaining what the LA Lakers are for the list to appeal to non-experts.
  • Explain NBA before you use it as an abbreviation.
  • Link NBA on the first use, not the second.
  • {{convert}} "50 mile".
  • Why go back to "National Basketball Association" in the third para of lead having gone for NBA before?
  • What's BAA draft?
  • I don't like the * note in the lead - stick to prose.
  • Can you link point guard to help the non-experts?
  • When the Pick is blank in the table it looks a little odd. en/em dash or something with a note would be good.
  • Gasol (Spain) seems to sort as ESP. Probably nothing you can do about it but seemed odd to see Spanish sorting before French...
  • Consider colour for the "Hall of Famer"s etc, as well as the asterisk etc.
  • Specific ref's should be formatted correctly, suggest using {{Cite web}} template.

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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