Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Cephalopterus penduligerIbisV1-1859-p003AA.jpg

Cephalopterus penduliger[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 14 Aug 2010 at 07:36:30 (UTC)

Reason: Quality scientific illustration of the subject, meets standards, clear EV. I feel it has that "wow" factor and that Joseph Wolf was talented.
Articles in which this image appears: Umbrellabird · Long-wattled Umbrellabird
FP category for this image: Animals/Birds
Creator: Joseph Wolf, upload by Cotinis

Support as nominator --I'ḏ ♥One 07:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Almost a definite support from me, but there is some digital manipulation (not just colour tweaking, but also possible changes in proportion) which are not documented on the image page. Perhaps a quick note to ask the uploader to add them would be in order? J Milburn (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, it was definitely brightened, but the size proportions are basically the same, there was a little cropping from the left I think and the bottom compared to the apparent original which had the species's nomenclature and a signature, if that's a problem for anyone they can probably be digitally cleaned and attached to this cleaner version. --I'ḏ♥One 22:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - All I want is clear documentation of the modifications. We have this template on Commons for a reason, and our criteria say that "manipulation should be clearly described in the image text". J Milburn (talk) 00:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yes, left the uploader a message on their talk page. Still, this hasn't generated much buzz, I don't get why FPC is usually so so cold on scientific art. --I'ḏ♥One 03:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Sorry, did not get that message until 19 August 2010. FYI, all I did was brighten the image, increase saturation a bit, and clean up some smudges in the background. No changes were made to proportion, etc. (Regarding comments further down the page... The wattle does stick out of the breast feathers as Wolf depicts, I believe, but I have not seen the bird in life.) The plumage is very dark and that is reflected in the original art. It looks OK on a couple of monitors I use, but it is always difficult to get good results with very dark or very bright images. I tried to bring out detail in the dark areas, but if one does too much of that, it ends up looking gray, or you get artifactual blocks in the blackish areas. I think the results are acceptable. If anybody thinks they can do a better job, they should go get the original image from the Biodiversity Heritage Library (link provided on the image caption) and give it a try!--Cotinis (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks. --I'ḏ ♥One 05:50, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I have two really well-adjusted monitors. The LCD can discern three of the four black-ish dots in the monitor test and my secondary CRT with a Trinitron tube is adjusted so one can discern all four circles. The black plumage here is just too dark. Beautiful, hand-drawn plumage detail I know exists (because I imported it and tweaked the midpoint, contrast, brightness, and saturation) simply can’t be seen—even on my monitor. Far too large a percentage of our regular I.P. readership (running Barbarian OS and commodity-grade monitors) will not only not see this detail, but it will be even worse for them; they’ll see the bird’s body as a black hole. If someone wants to e-mail me, I’ll send the version I created that shows all the plumage detail and doesn’t result in a grayish look. Greg L (talk) 22:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- -sigh- I don't want to argue with you and your monitor, I know you put a lot of faith in it, but I'm gonna just say it: Your settings are WRONG. I haven't believed you've had it adjusted right since the last Australian magpie nomination. You shouldn't be seeing only black, you should be seeing some black, some dark greys, blue sheen, thin and thicker blackish lines. Try these and don't accuse the links of being wrong: [1] [2] [3] [4] If you're still having problems see a good optometrist. --I'ḏ♥One 22:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - My main monitor has zero problems distinguishing all the bars at job32v8. Without breaking a sweat. And my external CRT Trinitron can discern the 5% black here at Imaging-Resource. I was making a living by computerizing a niche specialty of the graphic arts in the late 1980s. A competitor of my first client, upon seeing the setup my client had, thought it to be “F**king Star Wars”. You are entitled to your views. Professing—or feigning—great exasperation, like you have so very much to teach me, looks funny. Greg L (talk) 22:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Anger is a common phase of denial. --I'ḏ♥One 23:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - With the bold shouting you did, above, it rather looks like you were the one here getting angry. I wasn’t—and am not. We’ll just have to agree to disagree about whether my LCD and CRT Trinitron monitors are adjusted properly. The rest of your rant (the optometrist part) wasn’t even worth responding to. I know you desperately need to have the last word and I will afford you that much, since the last time you took great offense to my “abuse” (responding to you), you took me to ANI (only to be cautioned by the admin there to cool your jets and back off). Like he wrote there, things “don’t need to be personalised”. So, more electronic white space is provided below for you to get the last word. Goodbye for today. Greg L (talk) 23:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        You'll skew the story however you like, but I wasn't warned so much as nobody was interested in hearing about some FPC drama, so my warnings/bannings record remains clean, but you tell yourself what you like. The "shouting" is because you never seem to notice that when it comes to black your monitor always seems to be the only one showing a "black hole" but you persist that your settings are correct anyway, it's frustrating and you could be voting down very good candidates. As you said before I'm entitled to my opinion, I don't know how you like your computer to be and I didn't want to have to criticize your computer or whatever, but I had to disagree, something is wrong if you're seeing black where you should see blue. --I'ḏ ♥One 23:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe I don't actually understand what you're saying, but I'm on a fairly old, very cheap laptop, and I can see plenty of detail in the plumage. J Milburn (talk) 22:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sure. I can see plenty of detail in the plumage too. I think you will see what is missing for most visitors if you download the image and adjust it in Photoshop. And remember, most ordinary monitors will turn anything less than a 10% black into plain old black. That should be in the back of a photo editor’s mind when they adjust this one. Greg L (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Are we lowering or raising FPC standards? Seems there are differing opinions all over the place. --I'ḏ♥One 23:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Right now, we're raising them massively, as nothing is getting promoted. J Milburn (talk) 11:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The wattle doesn't look attached to the neck. Narayanese (talk) 09:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]