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Charles XIV John of Sweden[edit]

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Original - Jean Baptiste Bernadotte, Marshal of France, King of Sweden (1818). Joseph Nicolas Jouy, after François-Joseph Kinson. Painting of the recently-crowned Charles XIV John of Sweden, commissioned by Napoleon for the Hall of the Marshals in the Tuileries Palace.
Reason
A high-quality reproduction, easily the best image we have for this king.
Articles in which this image appears
Charles XIV John of Sweden, Union between Sweden and Norway, Monarchy of Norway
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Royalty and/or Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Military
Creator
Joseph Nicolas Jouy, after François Joseph Kinson. Photo by Gérard Blot.
  • Support as nominator --Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Should this be included at King_of_Norway#Union_with_Sweden?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Info: [1]. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, yes. I did think this image was clearly better. It's not common to point out when you add an image. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --P. S. Burton (talk) 22:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note It's not in Charles XIV John of Sweden at all anymore and holds little EV I think for Union between Sweden and Norway#Consequences of the Napoleonic Wars. — raeky (talk | edits) 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • It was removed with a request to place it elsewhere in the article. I have done so. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for digital quality and size, haven't boned up on European history so you guys can discuss the EV amongst yourselves. --I′d※<3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 01:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • He played an important role in shaping modern Sweden, especially Swedish foreign policy. Born in an small French village. He rose to the rank of Mareshal in the army of Napoleon. When the Swedish King had no heir, Jean-Baptiste was chosen for his connections to Napoleon. As Charles XIV John, he became the first Bernadotte King of Sweden. In the Napoleonic Wars he changed Swedish foreign policy, and turned against France and Napoleon, thus ending up on the wining side at the end of the war. He accepted that Sweden could no longer be a big player in European politics, and he had to accepted (against domestic opinion) that Finland, which had been a part of Sweden for 700 years, could not be recaptured from the Russians. Instead he invaded the more easily defendable Norway, which remained Swedish for almost 100 years. This painting shows him while still a French Marshal, and I think it has a high EV, because of the importance of his French background and his relation connection to Napoleon. --P. S. Burton (talk) 07:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support seems like a good image.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- George Chernilevsky talk 09:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm not sure this belongs in the paintings category- it isn't being used to illustrate a painting (as, for instance, the image in this nom is) but the person within the image in one of his specific guises. As such, I think it would fit far better within Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Royalty (which already includes some fine-art portraits) or Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Military (as he is portrayed here as a military man, rather than king, and, at this point, I believe I am right in saying he was not king?). J Milburn (talk) 10:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agree. Should be in Royalty. Caption says "recently-crowned", and besides, it's a fair bet he probably wouldn't be on here if he hadn't become king. --jjron (talk) 16:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Royalty is fine with me, but the way I read the image description, the "recently-crowned" refers to the date of the 1818 copy by Jouy. Kinson's original was older and made while Bernadotte was "merely" a marshal. Favonian (talk) 16:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • I believe that is correct. When there's ambiguity, we sometimes put it in both categories. That might be a good solution here. I've changed the category suggestion. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'm a big anti-fan of dual listing, so would go for royalty as the best option. --jjron (talk) 04:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • Agreed dual-listing is a bad idea- I prefer military, but I don't actually mind. J Milburn (talk) 10:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A magnificent picture, both technically and for its EV. If dual-listing is a bad thing, I have a weak preference for military, but per Adam's argument above, royalty is entirely acceptable. That being said, I think the caption needs to be changed. I located this description from the Swedish National Museum, and it says among other things that Jouy's copy was made during the Second Empire, and that Kinson's original was created c. 1805 and perished when the Tuileries Palace burned in 1871. Furthermore, the copy belongs to Versailles, though it will be displayed in Stockholm this fall. Thus there is no basis for the "recently crowned". Below is my suggestion, which also uses the correct title for Napoleon's marshals. Favonian (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Jean-Baptiste-Jules Bernadotte, Prince de Ponte-Corvo, roi de Suède, Maréchal de France (1763-1844).jpg --Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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