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March 16[edit]

Citation in See Also[edit]

- the See Also section of the Knights Hospitaller article has a link to "Caterina Vitale, the first female pharmacist of the Knights Hospitaller, and the first female pharmacist and chemist in Malta" with a citation to "'Sex In the City' tour: The knights and their ladies of the night". The Malta Independent. 25 March 2007. Archived from the original on 6 December 2016. I have never seen a citation in a See Also section before, but MOS:SEEALSO and MOS:NAVLIST don't say there shouldn't be citations. There is a citation to the Malta Independent piece in the article on Caterina Vitale, so it seems unnecessary in Knights Hospitaller. Should the citation in the See Also section be deleted? Is the Malta Independent a reliable source? - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Our page on it needs a lot of work but a national newspaper published daily is a WP:RS. Legacypac (talk) 05:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
I've deleted it. It belongs in Vitale's article only. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:23, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

- thanks - Epinoia (talk) 00:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

If I navigated away from 3 hours worth of edits without saving is there any way to recover it?[edit]

I was trying to get a table format right, so I went to source editing, and i couldnt find the button to switch it back to visual editing. So i hit the back button.

3 hours of work are gone... is there any way to get it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tscalligas (talkcontribs) 04:32, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Doubt it. Sorry. Your edit count stays pretty low if you don't save more often than every 3 hours. Legacypac (talk)
If you haven't closed the window yet, the forward button should get it back. Otherwise, you're out of luck. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:26, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
I feel your pain, I have experienced a number of catastrophic failures while editing. What I usually do is to copy and paste the section (or entire article) I am working on into a plain .txt file on my own computer, and save that every so often in case of disaster. If using Windows, use Notepad. Don't use any sort of word processor, which will include unwanted formatting information when you paste it back into the WP edit window. You should save the .txt file as Unicode if your edits include non-standard characters. >MinorProphet (talk) 16:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Using file content expressly for corresponding article[edit]

People's Republic of China 1978 Constitution.pdf

Checked around 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China with a [[File:People's Republic of China 1978 Constitution.pdf]] of the same name as its infobox "image". I wonder if such files' contents may be expressly used for said article, especially since this specific page lacks enough content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varxo (talkcontribs) 07:01, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Royal College of Surgeons of England[edit]

Please fix up ref number 7 - it is all wrong. Sorry (talk) 08:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, you introduced the error with this edit. If you could simply click on the help link, it would have told you that you have to match a firstn parameter with a lastn parameter; that is, either have both, or have none. I have deleted your reference addition's firstn parameter. As has been told to you many times before, if your edit creates a mistake, please read the help links to try and correct mistakes yourself. Thanks, Lourdes 08:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict)  Done You can use |author= in cases like this. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:56, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Design project[edit]

Recently, I conducted an outreach activity for students from a design school. During the workshop, we (participants and me) were surprised to find that there is no WikiProject for Design, as WikiProject Design, in spite of having projects such as WikiProject Industrial Design and Graphic Design. I am just curious to know if there is any specific and strong reason for this, and is it just some did not establish that. KCVelaga (talk) 10:34, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

probably for copyright reasons i think Belovaci (talk) 14:16, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

There are probably several reasons. Wikipedia's coverage of the visual arts, as opposed to the performing arts, is fairly woeful. One obstacle is the free-content nature of Wikipedia, which demands that illustrations be freely available. This conflicts with artists' and designers copyrights in many cases, so illustrations are difficult. Additionally, Wikipedia's userbase and contributor base tend to skew away from design fields into technical areas and popular entertainment, and there is less interest, while designers tend not to be attracted to Wikipedia. As an architect myself, I've found this intensely frustrating. The short answer is that it never ended up being established. Acroterion (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@KCVelaga: There is no project because nobody created it. There is no central authority. Each individual editor does wahtever the heck they want to, subject to guidelines and policies. You, personally, have just as much right and responsibility to start that project as anyone else.Wikipedia:WikiProject. However, you are wasting your time unless you attract a community of interested users, so you might want to make sure that at least a few other users will participate. -Arch dude (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Acroterion: Yes, I agree that coverage is an issue, and it isn't just the issue with visual arts but also many other subject areas. That aside, my idea was more of a project that includes articles related to design such as biographies of notable designers, various design theories etc. just like any other WikiProject. I do have a bit a design background (actually in design thinking), I never actually worried about this. As I mentioned above, we found this very interesting during the event and was curious to hear thoughts from others. KCVelaga (talk) 17:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Thanks for the response. Yes, I do understand we actually need users actively working in that area, and only then it will make sense for creating a WikiProject. Also, in cases like this (design), thorough scoping needs to be done before going ahead. KCVelaga (talk) 17:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

personal information[edit]

How does one remove personal information from wikipedia, to who does one speak for this? and what are the guidlines? Belovaci (talk) 14:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

for example if i deleted a facebook account, every like, picture, edit whatever gets deleted with it, but as a wikipedia user, i can delete my account, but every edit that i made stays visable on this website, forever? how to really delete every trace of one's existance on this website? Belovaci (talk) 14:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

specialy now with the GDPR's right to be forgotten? Belovaci (talk) 14:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Hey Belovaci. There is no functionality in the software Wikipedia uses that allows for deleting an account. You can request a courtesy vanishing, which essentially obscures the account beyond any meaningfulness, but that is the only thing analogous to deletion. GMGtalk 14:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

ok thanks Belovaci (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Once you've edited in any way, all of your edits remain part of our permanent record, to maintain the evidence chain and for purposes of copyright. Thus, the record of edits by a particular account cannot be purged. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Belovaci:We are not Facebook, etc. We are here to build an encyclopedia, not to be a repository of your personal information. Courtesy vanishing removes all visible traces between an old account name and its edits, but the edits themselves remain in Wikipedia. That's because you agreed to this each time you added the material: you licensed it to us (and everybody else) under the CC BY-SA. We internally keep a record of which account added material at what time, to defend us all against charges of copyright violation. Info you add other than on your own talk page should not be personal info about yourself in the first place. -Arch dude (talk) 15:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I understand, but what if the edits themself are about a person, like for example if an edit states that person "X" did this, or something like that? does the "X" also gets removed? Belovaci (talk) 16:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

No. Edits about people might be removed if they are in contravention of the policies at Wikipedia:BLP (especially if they are libellous), or are uncited and challenged as contentious, but not otherwise. If appropriate and verified edits could be removed again at the whim of their contributors, Wikipedia's content would become more unstable and volatile. Of course, if "X" is oneself, one shouldn't make such edits in the first place, but once in they stay or go according to the usual criteria. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Syncing my lists[edit]

I looked at Teahouse but it looked too specific to article edits etc for my general use question. So here I am at Help desk.

I am an intermittent user, not knowledgeable enough to add/edit articles. LUser HervigS But enthralled by the breadth and depth of the content! and collecting articles on my particular interests.

I have Wikipaedia on my Samsung android tablet. There I have collected lists of articles. Great.

I also have W on my PC, Windows 10. This appears to be a differently formatted version, sometimes even with different content on the main page etc. I can here link to the mobile version, which appears very close in format and content to the tablet. It would reduce my confusion if I can have the two defaults the same.

However my main question relates to syncing my saved lists on the two devices. So I can edit/read/print on either device. I am now logged on to both. It does say on the tablet Android v. that I can sync saved files. (I noticed that this morning!) But I can't see any link to syncing old, or saving new, files on the PC.Windows v. Is it possible? How? Or am I doing something wrong?

what's the problem? Even my Googlephotos are synced across Android/Windows10.

Thanks HervigS (talk) 14:28, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

@HervigS: - this page is meant for questions about editing Wikipedia. Your question would appear to be better suited to ask at the reference desk. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 14:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, HervigS. I can't find a reference for it right now, but I'm pretty sure that saved lists are a function of the Wikipedia App (on Android and probably iPhone) but are not implemented in the browser version. One way to save a personal list is to edit your user page (or create a user sub-page for the purpose) and put the wikilinks to the pages you want on it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
This page is for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. The question is about use and belongs here. mw:Wikimedia Apps/Synced Reading Lists says the lists can only be used in the app. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

need help with a dab[edit]

There's a disambiguation link on Hainanese Chicken Rice and after reading the source material and the dab page, I just don't know which Chin Dynasty to point to. I'm thinking some history person might be able to help resolve, but I don't know where to ask. --valereee (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

You could also just chicken out and delink it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Romanian characters in English WP[edit]

Hi all. Why is the font for special characters so unwieldy? For example, Maramureș County. The Romanian article ro:Judeţul Maramureş appears to have no problem. Face-smile.svg Thank you. >MinorProphet (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: I don't know how Romanian characters are supposed to look and you didn't quote any text but the two pages look similar to me in Firefox. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@MinorProphet: I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “unwieldy” font. The font for both pages is identical on my Safari browser. Granted I don’t speak Romanian, but the special characters look identical to my untrained eye. — Tha†emoover†here (talk) 17:34, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Thanks for your timely replies. Hmm. I'm on Fartfox too, but only v47, because later versions don't seems to like Windows XP. This may be something to do with the problem, not sure yet. Sorry for the essay, the whole thing has been quite interestingly complex to work out, define and describe the symptoms in a clear way. There may be some super-quick jargon way to describe it, (ike "Upgrade, fool"), but this is what happens:

Basically, only certain WPs, especially ro: and hr:, display the correct font or character set for characters like ț and ș to show correctly in my browser. When I go to ro:Judeţul Maramureş there is sometimes a 6 or 7-second delay with a progress bar: then I can actually see just the offending characters ț and ș being rendered correctly: they have different curvy cedillas in the same style as 'ç', which shows correctly in my Firefox. Conversely, switching to hr:Maramureş (županija) works instantly. Interestingly, (or not) hu:Máramaros megye doesn't use them at all.

However, on en: and also fr: it: and de: I seem to be getting a different setting that appears to insert the same rogue characters for ț and ș etc., whatever font is being displayed. On eg en:wp every single instance of ț and ș always and only display in a completely different sans-serif font, which is not Times, not Courier and not Sans: they have the same inverted dash looking like a mini comma underneath. They are very slightly taller than all the other characters.

At id:Provinsi Maramureş (Bahasa Indonesia), everything works except the infobox, which displays exactly the same rogue ț and ș characters I am experiencing. Check my browser isn't playing up: if I go to this Romanian website, there is no problem - everything renders properly.

ș 'ș' ș ș - Județul Maramureș : This is copied and pasted direct from the title on the ro: page, and displays correctly here for me: the copied and pasted ț and ș are visibly different from the en: page and in my edit window.
ș 'ș' ș ș - Maramureș County : This is copied and pasted direct from the title on the en: page, and looks like something of the following. If anything in the following stands out in your browsers, that's what it looks like for me on some wikis, but others are just fine.

Maramureș County This what it looks a bit like for me in Courier on en:, and certain other WPs.

In Times, to exaggerate: Maramureș County

And in Sans, it's a bit like this, but not so bold. Maramureș

Maramureș County
Maramureș County
Maramureș County

All of the above examples exhibit the same symptom. I get the same in my standby MX-5 browser. Sorry about the monster essay, it took a while. Thanks for your patience and help. >MinorProphet (talk) 01:09, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: I learned a little about Romanian characters today. Romanian alphabet#Comma-below (ș and ț) versus cedilla (ș and ț) says the correct form is comma-below and not cedilla. Both the English and Romanian Wikipedia use comma-below. There are no cedillas in ro:Judeţul Maramureş (except in the link itself which redirects to ro:Județul Maramureș with comma-below). If you see cedillas in the article then you have probably enabled the first gadget at ro:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets: "Diacritice vechi — transformă literele ș ț cu virgulă (corecte, dar neafișabile la unele calculatoare) în litere ș ț cu sedilă (incorecte), atât la afișarea paginilor cât și la editare." Google translation: "Old Diacritical - converts the comma-colored letters (correct but not displayable to some computers) into letters and saddles (incorrect), both when displaying pages and editing." It's disabled by default for logged in users and always for logged out users. It looks fine to me in Firefox 65.0.2 on Windows 10. sșș look identical apart from the diacritics, and so do tțț. The English Wikipedia does not have a gadget to convert comma-below to cedilla. You can maybe load the code of the Romanian gadget in all Wikimedia wikis where you are logged in if you save this in meta:Special:MyPage/global.js:
It may have side effects like making automatic conversions in edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Wow, the script worked! Now they all display as naughty wrong unapproved cedillas. I'm happy either way, consistency is great. Romanian is a amazing language although I barely know it. I read all about the spelling reform in 1904. Also installed the XP unicode fonts patch. Top marks, have a Face-smile.svg Thank you
— Preceding unsigned comment added by MinorProphet (talkcontribs)
@MinorProphet: As feared, the script made conversions in your edit.[1] Maybe you have to log out to see it properly. It changed cedillas to comma-below because the Romanian Wikipedia has decided to use comma-below. I am changing it back. The script displayed both forms as cedillas to you but not to others. We want cedillas in some situations and languages. You need a modified version of ro:MediaWiki:Diacritice.js which does not change the saved text when you edit. I can look at it if you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Yes please, if you felt like it, I can sort of envisage what might need to be done. If you have the time, could you perhaps explain either of the following? 1.) "Romanian Wikipedia has decided to use comma-below.'" So is it the case that some or all character sets have only one definition or space for diacritical t and s and don't distinguish between comma-below and cedilla, and it's up to someone to make the choice? Is this perhaps why Indonesian id:Provinsi Maramureş displays a mix? 2.) Could you also perhaps explain what is actually happening when they display as bold in the wrong font? Is there some similar sort of substitution going on like in ro:MediaWiki:Diacritice.js? Thanks for your time and interest. >MinorProphet (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Mark William Smith[edit]

Article-style content

Mark William Smith, aka Mark WR Smith, was born in Bay Shore, New York on September 8, 1959 to Robert F. Smith and Loretta Margaret Smith (Szeglin). Robert F. Smith was born in Pittsburgh, PA. on 10/4/1930 to Richard Smith and Norma Smith (King) and Loretta Szeglin was born to William F. & Loretta Szeglin on 06/21/1935. Richard Smith was born in 1900's to Harry M. Smith, Owner of The Liberty Lithograph Printing Company in the Downtown Section of Pittsburgh, PA.

Mark William Smith; AKA, Mark WR Smith is a graduate of Palm Beach State Collage with a Degree in Restaurant Hotel Management and upon graduation in 1981, Mark went on to a successful management career (leading to eventual part ownership position), in Regional Large Shopping Malls operating the Food Court Food Service Business with-in the Mall, Operating over 40 "Specialty Themed" Fast Food restaurants in 7 States.

Upon retiring from Mall Foods, Mark re-entered the Publishing and Printing business in New Jersey, New York City and the Islip/Brookhaven Townships on Long Island NY, acquiring major ownership positions in GMG Communications, Inc., Eastern Web Printing Company, Graph Com Enterprises INC., and The Pennysaver News of Brookhaven, Inc.,(a weekly community newspaper with 27 separate community newspaper editions with a circulation of over 500,000 in mailed weekly editions, that was founded by Robert F. Smith in 1958). Upon the sale and retirement from these business, Mark then entered the Insurance Business as Field Underwriter/Sales, and is currently serving as a Senior Accounts Producer for a local "Hometown" insurance agency located on the South Shore of Long Island in Islip Township, New York.

A Devout Christian and Believer of Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour, Mark is married to Sharon Ruth Smith (Scarborough) of Basom, NY, and they have 2 children, Heather Melissa Judge (Smith) and Robert F. Smith II

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? Eagleash (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2019(UTC)
Their only other edit here was vandalism in 2008.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Not very likely to be the same person... Eagleash (talk) 23:17, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Inter-wiki image help[edit]

I’m trying to write an article for the Japanese Wikipedia about the band Infant Annihilator and do not know how to get the image from the English version’s infobox to work in the Japanese infobox. The draft page is located here and you can see that the file name in the box is just giving the red link. Do I need to reupload the file into the Japanese wiki? Help:File description page#Inter-language coordination seems to suggest that I need to reupload the image on the Japanese wiki, but I’m not sure how to properly do that either. Do I have to edit the English file’s description page to link to the Japanese one once uploaded?

Also, I’m not sure how to create a hyperlink to the file description page, as putting in [[File:Infant annihilator logo.jpg]] just brings up the image instead of a hyperlink.

Help and advice would be appreciated. Thank you! — Tha†emoover†here (talk) 17:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Tha†emoover†here:, the image is a non-free copyrighted logo (I have fixed the image information in that regard). If you want to re-use it on Japanese Wiki, you should first verify, that the Japanese Wiki allows the usage of non-free logos. I believe it may be OK, but am really not sure on this point. If non-free logos are OK to use on Japanese Wiki, download the logo from en-Wiki and then upload it to Japanese Wiki (following the image procedures, that are hopefully described somewhere on the Japanese Wiki). Please note, that each Wikipedia has their own image usage rules and policies, so you'll have to check the Japanese Wiki for information about uploads to this Wiki. English Wiki-users can't help with most questions about other sister Wikis. GermanJoe (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@GermanJoe: Thank you for fixing that! User:PrimeHunter answered the rest of my questions. — Tha†emoover†here (talk) 18:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Place a colon in front to link an image: File:Infant annihilator logo.jpg. It is not allowed to use the image in the Japanese Wikipedia. A wiki can only display images which are uploaded to Wikimedia Commons or the wiki itself. Commons does not allow non-free images. The English Wikipedia allows it in certain circumstances but Japanese Wikipedia#Characteristics says: 'The fair use provisions of US law are not considered to be applicable. Articles and media files which do not have a GFDL-compatible license are prohibited, even if they would be legal under the "fair use" doctrine in the US.' PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thank you for the information! I wasn’t aware of the rules regarding images on the Commons or that images on the wiki aren’t transferable to other wikis. But I did read up on the Japanese image rules earlier today. Do you know if it’s possible to get a GFDL-compatible license for this image? — Tha†emoover†here (talk) 18:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Thatemooverthere: None of the conditions at Wikipedia:Logos#Copyright-free logos are satisfied. You cannot use it in the Japanese Wikipedia unless the band has explicitly released the logo with a free license, and that's unlikely. Organizations are generally protective of their logos. Lots of Japanese articles are missing a logo. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: I figured as much. Thanks for your help! — Tha†emoover†here (talk) 02:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Catholic Encyclopedia[edit]

Hi, I just made some copy-editing on that template, and now I'm at a loss: In Template:Catholic_Encyclopedia/doc#Detailed_notes, it said "Set to wstitle= if set, if not to title=, if not set then left blank." before, which I changed to "Set to wstitle= if set; if not, then to title=; if not set, then left blank." However, I now realize that actually both versions are apparently contradictory, since, in my understanding, "if not" means the same as "if not set". Can somebody help to resolve this issue? Thanks a lot in advance for any assistance.--Hildeoc (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Help with syntax[edit]

wikt:stave in is not displaying without the "wikt"; I have done it right in the past and cannot find the instructions on WP, even searching w/ Google.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Like this?
[[wikt:stave in|stave in]]stave in
or even like this?
[[wikt:stave in|]]stave in (Pipe trick doesn't work inside <ref>...</ref> tags)
Trappist the monk (talk) 20:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Bravissimo! Thanks--Quisqualis (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Italics in article title[edit]

I want to move Montpellier follies to Montpellier folies, i.e. keep folies in French (italicised as a foreign word) because these country houses aren't follies in the English sense. Could someone please tell me how to use the italic template? I can't figure it out. Thanks! Awien (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

@Awien: See Template:Italic title#Parameters. You can write {{italic title|string=folies}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, PrimeHunter, but ... where and how do I write that template? Whatever I try gets rejected. Feeling dumb, Awien (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
I added the following template in the very first line of the article's edit box: {{DISPLAYTITLE:Montpellier ''follies''}}. Now, the article title appears as "Montpellier follies", with the first word in regular font and the second word in italics. Is this what you wanted? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:15, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@Awien: Place the code anywhere on a page with "folies" in the title (it's usally placed at the top). If you want to test it on the current title Montpellier follies with "ff" then change it to {{italic title|string=follies}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
By the way, you are not actually wanting to move the article (as your original question suggests). You are simply wanting to format the title, without any "moving" whatsoever. Those are two different things, "moving" and "formatting" an article and its title. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Awien also wants to change follies to folies. This requires a page move. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that's correct. I had missed that word change. Sorry. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, PH. You're right. Thanks for trying, JAS. If someone can cause the title to be Montpellier folies, that would be great; I give up. Awien (talk) 14:33, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks all! Awien (talk) 15:04, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@Awien: I see you moved it to Montpellier folies. I posted code for italics in the first reply. Don't you know how to copy code? Don't copy the "nowiki" and "code" tags in the edit window but only the rendered code when you view the section. Another editor has made it {{DISPLAYTITLE:Montpellier ''folies''}} in the article. This also works. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, PrimeHunter. The depths of my non-techiness and incomprehension of jargon are hard for the likes of you to plumb. My French is bloody good though! Grand merci, Awien (talk) 16:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually Pong ball in flight.svg PrimeHunter: I do know how to copy code, and placing it on the page as you explained would presumably have worked, except that at that point it conflicted with Spadaro's italicisation of "follies". Cheers, Awien (talk) 07:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

providing a translation of an article[edit]

Dear Wikipedia, an article I just read (Elsa Gindler) requests a translation of the German-language article, which I would like to provide (I translate professionally). How/where should I type in the translation? Thank you, Lovelincklo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovelincklo (talkcontribs) 20:31, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I need help to place a draft for review.[edit]

I would like to put my draft for Come Together: A Fashion Picture in Motion in review, but I need some assistance to do so. Thanks.
- Stinkyjaden (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)Stinkyjaden

@Stinkyjaden: Add {{subst:submit}} to the top. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Lot Whitcomb[edit]

Hello...I work at River View Cemetery in Portland, OR. I recently had an email about Lot Whitcomb being buried here. Mr Whitcomb is placed at Wilhelm's Portland Memorial Mausoleum. His burial information needs to be changed. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:46, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. The burial information in the article Lot Whitcomb appears to be sourced to a published book (though I can't consult the book to check). In order to change the information, we would need a reliable published source for the new information: do you have one? --ColinFine (talk) 00:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

March 17[edit]

Rowspan in table[edit]

Hey, I'm working on a project in one of my sandboxes. In the main cast section towards the end of the first bulk of cast (in the Pretty Little Liars section), more specifically pertaining to Jessica DiLaurentis / Mary Drake, can anyone tell me why the two cells on the far right containing Andrea Parker won't merge into one. I've tried both source and visual editing but no luck. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:43, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, @TheDoctorWho: I was randomly posting a query above, and I noticed your question. Now I hate tables like almost nothing else, but I think it may be because you have defined
twice. I reckon there should be only one of her, try commenting out one then the other with <!-- and -->. If I'm on the right track, you may also have to fix some or all of those pesky rowspan= and colspan= thingies aargh. Something in my brain explodes at this point: if I'm on the wrong track, best of luck. >MinorProphet (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
A browser will usually render a table row with height 0, making it invisible, if no content has to be displayed in any cells in the row. I used rowspan="2" style="height:3em" to avoid this.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Ahh, makes sense. Thank you so much! TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a page that instructs editors here on how to create a User Box?[edit]

Does Wikipedia have a page that instructs editors here on how to create a User Box? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:44, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: try WP:CREATEUSERBOX and Template:Userbox? TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I will review those pages. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 13:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Problem with a little crazy exalted italian wikipedia administrators[edit]

Problem with a little crazy exalted italian wikipedia administrators

Can you suspend the account of these crazy exalted italian wikipedia administrators


and reactivate mine that I have not done anything wrong? Im trying to write 2 simple things that are totally true and they say no and and they have blocked my account (Antolepore) I don't understand why?

can you intervene please?

thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antolepore (talkcontribs) 12:09, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Antolepore, but nobody at en-wiki has any authority over it-wiki, or can intervene there. You'll need to handle this within it-wiki. It is possible that somebody at OTRS could help you, but my impression is that they will not willingly interfere in the governance of an individual Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 12:42, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Although using two accounts simultaneously might have something to do with it. ——SerialNumber54129 13:11, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Antolepore, this has already been explained to you multiple times on multiple projects. From the looks of it, you were blocked for adding unsourced content, and likely sent a legal threat via email, which would explain why your email access was revoked. Beyond that, the fact that you somehow managed to find, a project which is almost entirely invisible to the vast majority of users, it further seems unlikely that this is your first account or your first block. Having said all that, stop asking this question, you're not going to get a different response. GMGtalk 13:35, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Im trying to write 2 simple things that are totally true and they say no and and they have blocked my account (antolepore) I don't understand why? I didn't really understand why I can't do it? Wikipedia is not a free encyclopedia? But do you understand me when I write? But why don't you let me write these things? I will continue to send emails every day until we understand each other ... ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antolepore (talkcontribs) 22:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Did you understand "nobody at en-wiki has any authority over it-wiki"? Or can we make it more clear? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:14, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Google translate gives "nessuno su en-wiki ha alcuna autorità su di esso-wiki". Helpful? Britmax (talk) 15:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

deleted edit summary log[edit]

Afghan Girl (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I recently edited an article, and my edit summary was deleted. I don't know why it was deleted, and I would like to see who did that, but I can't seem to find a log of that action. (It doesn't appear under "All public logs" for that page.) Is there a log for this action? And where can I find it? Thanks! -- irn (talk) 17:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Irn: This sort of deletion usually occurs when there is some serious policy violation like copyright issues or grossly inappropriate material. However, I would expect to see both an explanation and the ID of the Admin. who performed the deletion, somewhere in the page history. This instance seems unusual as there is no indication of either. Hopefully one of the Admins. who volunteer at the help desk will see this thread and be able to comment further. Deletion of your summary etc. does not reflect badly upon you, necessarily. It merely means that the revision after your edit still contained the offensive material. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 17:43, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Yeah, it's a weird situation that I've never seen before. It appears that the "offensive material" was simply the IP address that made the previous edit. That makes no sense to me, and I don't understand how deleting that is in line with RevDel. But in order to even ask that question, I would need to know who did it and why. -- irn (talk) 18:52, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@Irn: It was oversighted so administrators like me cannot see it. Oversighters have an oversight log. Wikipedia:Oversight#Policy says: "This includes hiding the IP data of editors who accidentally logged out and thus inadvertently revealed their own IP addresses, and hiding the IP data of editors without an account on request." You probably used a revert method which automatically adds the reverted username or IP address to the edit summary. Just ignore it. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, it absolutely is the case that my edit summary included the IP address. So I guess this means that the editor using that IP address asked some Oversighter to delete it, and the only log for that action would be the Oversight log of the admin who did the deletion. Is that right? That doesn't seem terribly transparent. Why wouldn't this show up in the logs for the page? Why isn't there some sort of log that just says "[Admin x] changed visibility of Username or IP address (X reason)"? -- irn (talk) 22:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
@Irn: It may have been an IP request for privacy but I don't know. Oversighters are a user group beyond administrators. Telling people there is a secret can cause them to search for it. A visible oversight log similar to Special:Log/delete would be a giant "Here are thousands of secret things we are trying to hide from you." That would be seen as a challenge by some people, maybe people who like to out editors or look for children who post identifying information. I guess named oversighters could also be harassed, e.g. by people who deliberately posted something bad that was oversighted. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Judge Jeanine[edit]

It is totally unacceptable that you cancelled the Judge Jeanine show. All the leftist have gone defcon 5 on O'Relly, Judge Jeanine, Tucker Carlson, and Hannity. These are the only shows that have stood up for everyday American citizens. Time to turn the tables on the leftist radicals and quit helping them. Stop buying the leftist lies and start supporting the people and shows that have made FOX! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, this is the desk for help in editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question in that respect? If so please provide a link to the page in question. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia has cancelled nothing; we have no control over Fox's programming decisions. You should address your concerns to them.331dot (talk) 19:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

2 Terry Castles mixed up—-correction needed!!![edit]

Was just alerted to fact that Wikipedia has very prominently mixed me, Terry Castle, a writer and scholar at Stanford, up with Terry Castle, the daughter of the Hammer Films director William Castle. We are both female and live in the Bay Area but are not the same person! The first thing you see for me when you search—the quick look profile—-says my father was William Castle but he was not.

Based on the error, I am getting unwanted email from people asking me about William C. —-when I have not connection with him.

Could you please fix the errors in your two “Terry Castle” and “Terry Castle” entries, now that we have gotten confused? Thank you,Terry Castle, Stanford University — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:8200:71C6:BCCA:A32F:A437:8C90 (talk) 17:51, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, the only Terry Castle I can find on Wikipedia is this one which is yourself I think. Are you looking at the results of a Google search, which often displays information in a way that implies that it comes from Wikipedia? If so, Wikipedia has no control over that aspect but there is a 'feedback' link at the bottom of the summary panel to report errors. Also, if the matter does need to be taken further here, we would probably need to establish your identity. Eagleash (talk) 18:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
I've added a hatnote in that article for William Castle's daughter. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Terry Castle. This is not a Wikipedia problem; it is a Google problem. Please read the Wikipedia article Google Knowledge Graph. That is the box that comes up when anyone Googles your name. At the bottom, there is a link that says "Claim this knowledge panel". Click that and you can inform Google about the error. Good luck. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:38, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Ping an IP[edit]

- is it possible to ping an IP account? When I try to ping with {{ping|}} (not actual user) the address is redlinked and it says "User: (page does not exist)" - thanks - Epinoia (talk) 17:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Epinoia Wikipedia:Notifications tells us ... an IP cannot be notified by any templates or links. All you can do is post on their talk page, directing them to the relevant discussion: Bhunacat10 (talk), 18:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- thanks! - Epinoia (talk) 18:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Alex Mapelli-Mozzi[edit]

I have accidently removed the box on this page - trying to enlarge it. Sorry, please apprehend if you can. 22:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:D948:5E01:6DFB:6829:EF5D:C944 (talk)

Please remember for the future that the button to undo an edit is the "Undo" button. You have been told this a number of times previously. Please also remember to check your edits with the "Preview" function before saving them. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
And please also remember not to use as a section heading a title which has already been used on the same page; again, something about which you have been told on countless occasions in the past. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:59, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

March 18[edit]

place for this discussion[edit]

Where is this discussion best placed to be seen by people who are competent in the area? I think I added that conversation in the wrong location; there has been no replies so far. --Gryllida (talk) 01:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I think the Village Pump is a good location for it. – Teratix 02:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Can't undo edit due to blacklisted link[edit]

I screwed up badly with this edit and saved an old version of California. Can somebody with power undo it for me? Or can somebody tell me who to contact? Thanks Brycehughes (talk) 01:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh god people are editing the page now... Brycehughes (talk) 01:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Okay, somebody did it. Phew! Brycehughes (talk) 01:56, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@Brycehughes: It's also worth pointing out that there's a bot that automatically fixes the error you were trying to fix. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Brycehughes, three options. (1) If you had rollback, you could have just used it on the edit in question, since rollback isn't affected by the blacklist. Since you weren't a rollbacker, I've just given you that right. (2) Normally, an admin can delete the page and restore all the edits prior to the problematic one, although unfortunately that's not the case with California, as its 10,315 edits put the page into WP:BIGDELETE territory. (3) If the issue is with an item on the local blacklist, WP:BLACK, an admin can remove the item and then put it back when the page history is back to normal. Nyttend (talk) 02:26, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks @Pppery. Yeah I've seen Anomie Bot around but that link hadn't been fixed for quite some time... I wonder why Anomie was hesitating. @Nyttend, thanks for the user right! Brycehughes (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

What should I do if I realize a warning I gave to a user was a mistake?[edit]

Last year I left a {{uw-vandal2}} warning on someone's talk page after they made what I believed to be a vandalous edit. I now realize that their edit was valid and not deserving of reversion or a warning. Their edit has already been redone, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about the invalid warning. I don't want to just leave it there, should I just remove it? Should I reply to the warning stating that it was a mistake? I know I should apologize to the user, but I don't want to do so until I've handled the warning. I couldn't find any information about what to do in this situation anywhere else, so I thought I'd ask here. Thank you! — Katie <3 (talk) 04:11, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Katie. Since it was placed sometime back, I would post a note below it, and ping the user. It's too late to remove the notice. Rehman 04:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Can you cross it out? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Depending on how they take it, striking it out of the blue would be confusing and/or rude since it has been months since the warning. Rehman 06:25, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Katie lt3. Whenever I realize that I have made a mistake in warning another editor, I immediately go to their talk page and apologize for my error. This is a complex project and all active editors make mistakes sometimes. Admitting and apologizing for your mistakes is the sign of a mature, responsible editor, and it is the right thing to do. Your apology will enhance your reputation as an ethical editor. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure what to do[edit]

I found three redirect pages that seem to be inappropriate for their destination article. The three redirect pages are:

The destination article is the civil rights movement. The three redirects are too broad to redirect to a specific historical event. In the United States, the term "civil rights" has a legal meaning that applies to U.S. state governments and private individuals and prevents those entities from discriminating against individuals. I thought Civil and political rights may be a better fit, but that term seems to apply to the world and not solely to the United States. I also checked the "What links here" link to see if any country specific redirects are connected to "Civil and political rights", but there are none. I don't want to propose the three redirects for deletion, because they seem like possible future articles. I do want to remove them as redirects for their current destination article, but beyond that I'm not sure how to proceed. Mitchumch (talk) 10:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Mitchumch:Convert Civil rights of the United States into an article, then redirect the others to it. A very short stub article will suffice for now, but mark it as a stub and explain why you added it on its talk page. At a bare minimum, a sentence and link to the movement article should be there to serve the purpose the redirect serves now. Technically, you should provide at least two references to reliable sources: this should be very easy given the massive number of books on the subject. -Arch dude (talk) 14:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
I was reluctant to do it. But, it's done. Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 15:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


Does Openstreetmap has protection imposed similar to Wikipedia? that a specific regions or a node or a way or all nodes contained in the way to protected and can be edit by a certain of users only? If has, how to tell a specific data or region has been protected before I make a edit?Wifik3r8bLk2Zr (talk) 11:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

How about you first go back to the ref desk and explain your interest in peaches. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:54, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@Baseball Bugs: Huh?
@Wifik3r8bLk2Zr: You may have better luck with your question at –FlyingAce✈hello 15:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Anna Windsor[edit]

Dear Help team, Today, I was informed by a friend that my Wikipaedia page had been anonomously edited on 9th January this year. The changes were inaccuarate and a deliberate sabotage of my character. Are these posts able to be removed from my page or my page taken down? Yours sincerely, Anna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:260A:4F00:55C4:B900:7FE7:4D44 (talk) 12:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

You're not allowed to own a page. You could discuss this with whoever made the changes, though. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello Anna, there were indeed some edits made in January which were outside Wikipedia's policies. They were not anonymous though. However, the inappropriate material was removed with this edit. It is still searchable in the page history though. If you are not happy about this use the contact link on the left of any page to request what is known as 'Revdel'. This will hide the content but not stop it being added again if the editor has a mind to do so. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 12:42, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Unconnected to the above request. The whole article as it stood this morning was copyright violation. It was a a copy and paste from the Orange City Sporting Hall of Fame website. I've reverted the article to a version from last year, prior to the addition of the material. - X201 (talk) 12:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I've performed revision deletion going back to the point the copyright material was added, which also hides in the page history the unsourced negative material added in January. I'm not sure if this qualifies for oversight as well; I will email the oversight team. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Posting a stub[edit]

Are local online papers considered a reliable source to use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DuaaAfifi (talkcontribs) 12:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@DuaaAfifi: By and large, if it is an online version of a print newspaper then it would normally be considered acceptable if it has a reasonable hard copy circulation or is one owned or published by one of the major local news outlets (E.g. Newsquest Media Group.) Minor papers covering a small area, less acceptable. If in doubt don't use it. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

A lack of citations of the Huaorani page[edit]

On this page, many important facts seem to lack citations.

Should we remove these uncited facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zelda120! (talkcontribs) 13:31, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Zelda120!, if you think it needs a citation but doesn't have one, you can remove it. See WP:UNSOURCED. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 14:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Inventor of the Magnetic Eyeglass Holder[edit]

Hello, My name is Eitan Horovitz and I am the original inventor of the Magnetic Eyeglass Holder.

Title: Small article holder including magnet means United States Patent 6260749

Abstract: A simple holder is provided for holding a desired small article to an article of clothing. The holder is provided by the operational combination of a base member of a selected appearance, the base including a magnetizable area thereon. Holding means are secured to the base member for holding a desired small article thereto or therein. The holder is in cooperative combination with a permanent magnet. The base member may be secured to the front of an article of clothing by means of magnetic attraction between the magnetizable area adjacent the front of the clothing and the permanent magnet at a corresponding area at the back of the article of clothing. The selected small article can then be held by the holding means.

Inventors: Horovitz, Eitan (861 Hollander Rd., Newmarket, CA) Application Number: 09/418491 Publication Date: 07/17/2001 Filing Date: 10/15/1999 Export Citation: Click for automatic bibliography generation Assignee: HOROVITZ EITAN Primary Class: 224/183 Other Classes: 24/3.3, 206/5, 224/251, 224/901 International Classes: A45F5/02; A45C11/04; (IPC1-7): A45F5/00 Field of Search: 224/183, 224/251, 224/268, 224/901, 24/3.1, 24/3.3, 24/3.7, 24/3.8, 24/303, 206/5, 206/37, 248/683 View Patent Images: Download PDF 6260749 PDF help US Patent References: 5941487 Retainer for holding eyeglasses 1999-08-24 Keely 5864924 Eyeglass holder 1999-02-02 Rodriguez 5845369 Eye glass holder 1998-12-08 Dunchock 5810310 Holder for eyeglasses 1998-09-22 Seach 5758807 Pocketless screw holder 1998-06-02 Wright 224/183 5682653 Magnetic fastening device 1997-11-04 Berglof et al. 224/183 5613661 Holder for eyeglasses 1997-03-25 Seach 5551126 Button-on holder for eyeglasses — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Cool Idea, but unclear what you want. This area is for seeking help editing Wikipedia, not publishing your inventions. WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Furthermore, Wikipedia is not for publicizing your inventions; Wikipedia only covers subjects that are already published in independent reliable sources. In other words, when uninvolved parties choose to write about your invention, it might then merit an article. If it does, you shouldn't be the one to write it. 331dot (talk) 18:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

New page was deleted, and addition of a Bed and Breakfast hotel was deleted[edit]

Hello. I recently made a page about a local hotel that has an interesting factual history, built as a residence, then used as a hostile to home homeless and abused children, then turned into a bed and breakfast. I made it short and concise to start with and it was already deleted for no legit reason. I have nothing to do with the hotel or bed and breakfast but feel it should be on Wiki as its history and timeline of events are very interesting and factual. Hope to hear from someone soon. Thanks. Referencing "Southern Grace Bed & Breakfast" that was deleted as well as the adding-in of "Southern Grace Bed & Breakfast" as a Hotel in Kentucky on wikipedia which was also quickly deleted as if it was not a hotel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthernGraceBB (talkcontribs) 18:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@SouthernGraceBB: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You say that you have nothing to do with the hotel or B&B, but you use its name as your username; that usually suggests a relationship. If you do have nothing to do with the hotel, you should visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to put in a username change request. Business names are not permitted as usernames; usernames must reflect that an individual uses the account. Looking at your edit history, I see no drafts by you that were deleted; you have edited your sandbox and that is still there, though it is not suitable for a Wikipedia article at this time. This facility will need to have been written about in independent reliable sources to merit an article, and only then if it meets the special definition of notability Wikipedia has. Your entry to the list of hotels was removed as there is not yet an article; list articles like that are not for listing every such facility in existence, only those that merit articles. 331dot (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict)SouthernGraceBB, I don't see where any of your contributions are to deleted pages. The draft article you started in your sandbox is still there. Your addition to List of hotels in the United States was reverted. Because you have chosen to use the name of the hotel as your username, it looks like you are trying to advertise the hotel. I recommend you change your username, then read Your First Article and take the advice provided there to heart as you continue to work on the draft. When the draft is ready, put "{{subst:submit}}" on top of it and a reviewer will come by and review it. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@SouthernGraceBB:before you spend any further time on this effort, please convince yourself that your subject is notable by our definition, not yours. See WP:N. An article about a notable subject, (almost) no matter how poorly constructed, will be retained and improved. An article about a non-notable subject, no matter how beautifully written, will be deleted. -Arch dude (talk) 04:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

French translation of a JSTOR source[edit]

Greetings, does someone know how to translate a JSTOR source for an article/is someone willing to? The source is this one and the article it's for is Huaynaputina. Thanks in advance. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I am adding to one wiki page about game, but I can't figure out, if I need to find good enough sources for "game story/plot", or I can write it by myself, using proper language?[edit]

while preparing to make a page, I noticed that sites with reviews have 1-2 sentences about story/plot. Can I write plot by myself, or do I need to have actual sources? Also, is manual that comes with a game good enough source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heromanofe (talkcontribs) 21:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Heromanofe: I believe that for games(and films) you do not need a citation for the plot, as the plot can be confirmed by playing the game(or watching the film). 331dot (talk) 21:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Sub-section Policy vs Guidelines[edit]

A question for the experts on changing policy/guidelines

When there are discussions on changing aspects of the larger policy documents - such as things like deletion policy, is each change required to meet the higher level of consensus/stability for it to considered a "policy", rather than a "guideline"?

Logically one of three things should occur:

  1. No Change should be accepted unless they demonstrate the higher requirements (and lack of likely exceptions) of Policy, as opposed to Guidelines;
  2. If any aspect of a Policy has a "Guideline-level" paragraph added, the document should be relabelled as a Guideline
  3. All non-policy level changes should be only added to a sub-page, which can have a different status added to it than the primary page.

I've not seen any example of 1 in the various discussions held (and obviously not 2). Very rarely option 3 comes up (though I think this may be somewhat coincidental - i.e. it got a subpage because that made sense, rather than a policy/guideline consideration). However, most often it seems that additions are "promoted" to policy status which they shouldn't inherently get.

I was hoping for some thoughts of others, given both a relatively short tenure and a focus in only 3 or 4 areas - is this the case? Is this the case, but it's just accepted as preferable to a split status within documents? Nosebagbear (talk) 23:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: I think you'd be better off posting this very specific question on the policies and guidelines talk page . TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

March 19[edit]

Wikipedia mirror sites[edit]

Hi, I have seen but now could not find the page on the list of Wikipedia mirror sites (content of sites which copied from Wikipedia). Could anyone point me to the page please? Thanks in advance. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

CASSIOPEIA do you mean this? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
HickoryOughtShirt?4 THANKS. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)