Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2007 January 31

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January 31[edit]

Image:British_Empire_Anachronous_5.PNG[edit]

Image:British_Empire_Anachronous_5.PNG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rex_Germanus (notify | contribs).

OR, semi-redundant to image on commons: Image:British Empire Anachronous 4a.PNG (different colors) MECU≈talk 00:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:007_Stage.JPG[edit]

Image:007_Stage.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Bionicbiff (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB, only contrib MECU≈talk 00:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-NayI went ahead and added it to the 007 Stage article, since I think it would make for a pretty good addition. Plus, what the heck do OR, UE, and AB mean? Not the most friendly abbreviations to someone who doesn't edit the Wiki often. --The Listener 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Aiologo.png[edit]

Image:Aiologo.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anubhavsuri (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB, only contrib MECU≈talk 00:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Milchmann.jpg[edit]

Image:Milchmann.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Chickenfly (notify | contribs).

OR, AB, only contrib, license likely incorrect MECU≈talk 00:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flatsign.jpg[edit]

Image:Flatsign.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Dyfsunctional (notify | contribs).

redundant to better image, ifd placed in March 2006, listing here to complete ifd- MECU≈talk 00:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sharpsign.jpg[edit]

Image:Sharpsign.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Dyfsunctional (notify | contribs).

redundant to better image, ifd placed in August 2006, listing here to complete ifd- MECU≈talk 00:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CFT-Low_Spin.JPG[edit]

Image:CFT-Low_Spin.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by YanA (notify | contribs).

OR, better version available MECU≈talk 00:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:ChestnutHillCollege.JPG[edit]

Image:ChestnutHillCollege.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PearlJamNoCode (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, NCW (not commons worthy) MECU≈talk 00:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Xterr.JPG[edit]

Image:Xterr.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by X`terrania (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB (1 month), not likely available to release into PD MECU≈talk 00:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it please.X`terrania 06:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:InscripSmall.JPG[edit]

Image:InscripSmall.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by CBDunkerson (notify | contribs).

OR, UE?, LQ, too small to be useful/readable MECU≈talk 00:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SCSI25_Cable.jpg[edit]

Image:SCSI25_Cable.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by CB1226 (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, LQ MECU≈talk 00:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Maagolf2005.jpg[edit]

Image:Maagolf2005.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Robust_Physique (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB, license likely incorrect MECU≈talk 00:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Utsc.jpg[edit]

Image:Utsc.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Robust_Physique (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB, license likely incorrect MECU≈talk 00:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ascalon_Levin_Brown_World_Trade_Center_Memorial_Entry.jpg[edit]

Image:Ascalon_Levin_Brown_World_Trade_Center_Memorial_Entry.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Toksook (notify | contribs).

OR, UE? AB, NCW (not commons worthy) MECU≈talk 00:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:No-sleep-Shanes.png[edit]

Image:No-sleep-Shanes.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Shanes (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, outdated, interesting though, I wish Kate's tool could show me this about me MECU≈talk 00:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm, I think it actually was Kate's tool who made the graph. It stopped making them a year ago or something due to some consern about privacy or something. But never mind, I'll delete it myself. I can still look it up anyway. Shanes 10:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Fadi.jpg[edit]

Image:Fadi.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Fadz (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, LQ, 1 of 2 contribs by user MECU≈talk 00:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TantonWorld_Map.jpg[edit]

Image:TantonWorld_Map.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Miketanton (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, personal information about user's travels MECU≈talk 00:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Redhotandblue.jpg[edit]

Image:Redhotandblue.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Robrrb (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB MECU≈talk 00:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Smallflower.jpg[edit]

Image:Smallflower.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Niankhsekhmet (notify | contribs).

OR, UE?, AB MECU≈talk 00:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dysonsphere2.png[edit]

Image:Dysonsphere2.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Aidepikiw0000 (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB, OR (could be original research without support) MECU≈talk 00:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ronnie_masters.jpg[edit]

Image:Ronnie_masters.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by C_Ronaldo_Manchester (notify | contribs).

CV http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/snooker/6285217.stm — The18thDoctor 00:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Trumplvconstruction.jpg[edit]

Image:Trumplvconstruction.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by KyleLV (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB, might be useful as "construction image" MECU≈talk 00:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Fox_valley.JPG[edit]

Image:Fox_valley.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mjvan12 (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB MECU≈talk 00:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Capegoodhope.jpg[edit]

Image:Capegoodhope.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Magi_Media (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, "for use on (authors) website" MECU≈talk 00:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Raffael_068_crop.jpg[edit]

Image:Raffael_068_crop.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jorge_Stolfi (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, cropped version of larger image for use in stub template, but unused MECU≈talk 00:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Guillermofranco.jpg[edit]

Image:Guillermofranco.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Lucasliso (notify | contribs).

OR, UE? not likely public domain MECU≈talk 00:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, this is a copyvio, deleted. -- Zanimum 15:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dc_cabling.jpg[edit]

Image:Dc_cabling.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ryemcdonald (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB, 4 contribs by user MECU≈talk 00:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Fist_to_the_head!.jpg[edit]

Image:Fist_to_the_head!.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Adrian (notify | contribs).

OR, UE MECU≈talk 01:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. the subject of the photo, Adrian Lamo is notable, and has his own article. WJBscribe 01:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I note that Adrian has 4830 contributions to Wikipedia. I think that entitles him to upload a photo of himself to use in his userspace as he wishes... WJBscribe 12:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WJB. It's Free, amusing, and topical. --Gwern (contribs) 01:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain, per propriety. If it comes to that, I'll gladly put it on my "official" site or my IMDb, making OR moot. As UE, I defer to User:WJBscribe and User:Gwern. —Adrian~enwiki (talk) 2007-01-31 07:58Z

Comment: you could always just upload it to the Wikimedia Commons ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 04:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's a free image, which is great, and the subject is notable, which is also great, but... it isn't used anywhere. It would be better suited on Adrian's personal site (like he suggested) rather than here, unless he wants to use it on his userpage (which I'd be 100% fine with). EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It was used on Adrian's userpage until recently. He may wish to use it again- is it really worth everyone's time deleting it so he has to upload it again next time he wants to use it? Adrian's an experienced user so I'm sure he'd tag it with {{db-author}} if he planned not to use it again... WJBscribe 05:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's used somewhere now, making proposed deletion @ Images & Media For Deletion out-of-process, as it's no longer orphaned, and The Community™ seems to find it encyclopedic.

* only a little tongue-in-cheek :x *

—Adrian~enwiki (talk) 2007-02-05 05:48Z

Indeed, that's good enough for me.

As an aside, your edit summary makes my head hurt... EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Amusingly, we really do have to file motions with titles like that IRL sometimes. I've always thought that if I nested enough iterations into it, they might just lose track and let the whole thing go.

Thanks again to everyone involved in the deletion discussion process, here and elsewhere. Your work in maintaining the community is appreciated.

—Adrian~enwiki (talk) 2007-02-05 07:33Z

I'm completely fine with this image, now that it is used. But unused, Wikipedia has no need for this. Putting into the article would not be useful. Perhaps Adrian could create a commons category and move all the images there and then insert one of those "Commons has media on this article" where a reader could see all 50 images of Adrian, if they wanted. Nonetheless, used there is no point in deletion. Unused we certainly don't need to be a file host. (see, WP:NOT). --MECU≈talk 13:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TTCircuitAssen2006.jpg[edit]

Image:TTCircuitAssen2006.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Harm@frielink.net (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, LQ MECU≈talk 01:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Yogh.gif[edit]

Image:Yogh.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Primetime (notify | contribs).

OR, UE MECU≈talk 01:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Riaa.jpg[edit]

Image:Riaa.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by EmileVictor (notify | contribs).

OR, UE, AB MECU≈talk 01:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Bayer filter.png[edit]

Image:Bayer filter.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ed g2s (notify | contribs).

Obsoleted by Image:Bayer pattern.svg. — Cburnett 01:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sgccog.gif[edit]

Image:Sgccog.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Kanadianiceman (notify | contribs).

orphan from an article that was speedy deleted — Royalbroil^T : C 02:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:HarryBlanton.jpg[edit]

Image:HarryBlanton.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by User:Weekend_Anarchist (notify | contribs).

Orphan, unencyclopedic — RJASE1 04:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Buddyhollygreatesthits.jpg[edit]

Image:Buddyhollygreatesthits.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Freekee (notify | contribs).

OBS, already replaced — Freekee 05:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation. Image rights owned by Time-Warner. Fair use claimed by uploader, but this detailed anatomical drawing goes well beyond simple illustrative fair use. Use of an image this complex and detailed is the graphic equivalent of lifting a whole paragraph of text for use in an article. — Herostratus 07:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Delete again. This is an drawing. A complex one but still a drawing. Just like any diagram, a (free) one should be created based on published information, instead of using a copyrighted one. --Abu badali ^(talk) 12:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it. Note that Badali's objection is not that this is not fair use, but that an artist somewhere should redraw the same picture. However it is outrageous to assert that forging it is okay, but using it is not, when he doesn't challenge its status as fair use, Furthermore, no one in their right mind would believe that a real artist is going to waste his time duplicating a detailed medical drawing so that wikipedia doesn't have to use a perfectly good legal one from an out-of-print magazine, which is clearly fair-use,

If the policy is "no fair use images", then state it as such and let's not pretend otherwise. But if fair use images ARE allowed, this is CLEARLY one.

As to Herostratus' seemingly more reasonable objection, all information in this drawing appears in the text next to it. Thus it is NOT the analog of lifting text, without which the article would have less information. While it provides NO new information, it allows the reader to visualize facts which are extremely difficult--though not impossible--to imagine in your mind without the drawing. That's the canonical purpose of a technical drawing in a context like this.

Delete (once again; I already deleted it for being replaceable). We have plenty of skilled artists at Wikipedia who could make a freely licensed diagram showing all the important information shown in this image, without being a derivative work of it, at a higher resolution and with more legible writing. —An gr 06:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above delete comments. _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 18:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Recycle add.jpg[edit]

Image:Recycle add.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Craigsloughter (notify | contribs).

questionable copyright (high school poster), used in several articles speedily deleted, no encyc. value — SkierRMH 07:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Tv weird al emo philips.jpg[edit]

Image:Tv weird al emo philips.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Zanimum (notify | contribs).

OB by Image:Emo Philips 2002.jpg ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 08:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. -- Zanimum 15:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Green bridge July 06.jpg[edit]

Image:Green bridge July 06.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Iorek85 (notify | contribs).

Orphan. OB by Image:Eleanor Schonell Bridge, Brisbane, 2007-01-31.jpg — BrightLights 08:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Image:David Byrne.jpg[edit]

Image:David Byrne.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mutehero (notify | contribs).

OB by Image:David Byrne 2006.jpg ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 08:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Calvinjohnson.jpg[edit]

Image:Calvinjohnson.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Shamrox (notify | contribs).

OB by image:Calvin Johnson.jpg ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 08:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Independent_flag.jpg[edit]

Image:Independent_flag.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Dblank7 (notify | contribs).

UE; I cannot find any reference to this flag in canon, and the image page does not cite a source. — Plexust 12:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (by default) Well... if it isn't canon, then, at best, all we can do is remove it from the Unification War and Browncoat articles; it's in the public domain, so there's no reason it has to be deleted (ie: it isn't an unused Fair Use image, and it then becomes nothing more than a userbox-specific image, which isn't an actual reason to delete it). EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless a reliable source can be found to backup the claim that it is "The flag of the Independent Faction from the TV series Firefly", according to the image description. Wikipedia images exist to serve articles and other pages, and if this is just an pretty picture without verifiable reason to be here, I see no reason to keep it, never mind the rights issue. (We Wikipedian Browncoats should be concerned about authenticity in importing such a flag, and if we don't have it, we shouldn't be using WP to spread fanfic even among ourselves on our user pages.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Someone on the Browncoat talk page said that they stated that they have seen it on several firefly related pages. I asked them to give us some spesific web addresses, but they havn't got back to me. Also i think that changing the caption from "The flag of the Independent Faction from the TV series Firefly", to something saying that it is the flag of the 'Browncoat Fan' nation instead of the 'TV series Brwoncoat nation'. any thoughts.

Ps. i'm gonna go and serch through evry firefly website i can find and try to find the picture myself

peace-Three waysround 17:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Just because you can find it on Firefly related pages doesn't establish it as canon. It needs to be featured in the series, movie, comics, novels, etc. Anything else makes it fanon and not suitable for Wikipedia. --Plexust 19:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, NN cruft. -- Jeandré, 2007-02-02t21:24z

It appears on page 15 of "Firefly: The Official Companion" by Joss Whedon as part of a rank symbol on a uniform. MorgaineDax 14:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- That plus some of the "not enough to back up the article on it's own, but enough to support harder evidence" stuff that i found (serenity merchendise with the flag on it, and the such) might be enough to keep it. The stuff that i found doesn't mean nearly as much as the flag being in the book, it just backs it up a little, and i think that might be enough to keep it. Any thoughts

ps. everything i've found said that the flag was in the shape of a triangle, not a rectangle. What shape is it in the book????

peace-Three waysround 20:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - It is in a triangle in the book, but because it's a patch that goes onto a uniform shoulder. The star is also dark blue in the book, but it looks like it would have shown up black on film. MorgaineDax 14:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - - The book is canon, correct? Cause if it is then we have canon evidense that Plexust said we needed above, and that means that this convo is coming to a close. (We'll just need to change the picture a bit, but anyone idiot with Paint (the program) could draw us up one)

peace-Three waysround 17:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK i've decided that because the convorsation on this is pretty dead i'm going to make a desicion. I checked and the official companion was listed as a refrence on the firefly page. so i'm gonna wait a bit, and if no one objects with a resonable arguement i'm going to take of the deletion tag, and add the official companion to the image page (and the pages it's featured on)as a refrence.

peace-Three waysround 21:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i waited about 10 days, if you disagree with me, i dunno, talk to me on my page or something

peace-Three waysround 20:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sean Geber.jpg[edit]

Image:Sean Geber.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Carl2112 (notify | contribs).

Image for vanity article, no encyc value — SkierRMH 13:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly a copyvio from myspace. Conscious 07:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:119871125ph_mgo_01.jpg[edit]

Image:119871125ph_mgo_01.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Padgett22 (notify | contribs).

AB, UE, OR. ↔NMajdan•talk 14:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DopplerE.JPG[edit]

Image:DopplerE.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by stizz (notify | contribs).

UE, I no longer wish to upload this image, and it is now a blank image. — Stizz 16:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image speedily deleted. For your reference, you could have tagged it with {{db-author}}. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks@ I am still learning how to use this wonderful site! Stizz 21:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dodoguitar.jpg[edit]

Image:Dodoguitar.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Sheung 430 (notify | contribs).

Image was featured in an article about a non-notable book and non-notable author. Article was speedily deleted. — SmartGuy 19:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dodos.jpg[edit]

Image:Dodos.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Sheung 430 (notify | contribs).

Image was featured in an article about a non-notable book and non-notable author. Article was speedily deleted. — SmartGuy 19:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kerryannewells.jpg[edit]

Image:Kerryannewells.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Peekablue (notify | contribs).

According to PageantUpdater, this is a copyvio from [1], but I can't verify it. It seems likely, though. OR.- Conscious 19:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a screenshot of the image page from the Miss Universe press website [2]. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Johannesburg GP ZA.jpg[edit]

Image:Johannesburg GP ZA.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Andresdewet (notify | contribs).

CV; source listed as "South African Tourism -- free member download", but license is given as GFDL and I don't believe it, probably copyrighted by whatever tourism company it came from. — Mango juice^talk 20:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:01-09-06_2247.jpg[edit]

Image:01-09-06_2247.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ryan o7 (notify | contribs).

extremly low quality picture of a cat. Orphan Balloonguy 22:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:26-01-07_1505.jpg[edit]

Image:26-01-07_1505.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ryan o7 (notify | contribs).

vanity picture orphan Balloonguy 22:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:26-01-07_1506.jpg[edit]

Image:26-01-07_1506.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ryan o7 (notify | contribs).

vanity picture, orphan Balloonguy 22:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Atoli_apples.psd.jpg[edit]

Image:Atoli_apples.psd.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Lival (notify | contribs).

unencylopedic sketch, orphan Balloonguy 23:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ryou_wtf.jpg[edit]

Image:Ryou_wtf.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Lival (notify | contribs).

unencylopedic sketch, orphan Balloonguy 23:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Chigusa.psd.jpg[edit]

Image:Chigusa.psd.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Lival (notify | contribs).

unencylopedic sketch, orphan Balloonguy 23:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:029-poke-me.gif[edit]

Image:029-poke-me.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Khaid23 (notify | contribs).

unencylopedic picture of the pilsbuy dough boy with slanderous statments on the description page. Orphan. User has been indefinetly blocked. Balloonguy 23:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]