Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who

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RFC started at Timelash

I have started an RfC on beak Two-parter vs Serial at the page Talk:Timelash. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Please note that this is not a valid RFC. -- Alex_21 _TALK 06:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Possible good topics?

Actors who played the Doctor

15 articles

William Hartnell

Patrick Troughton

Jon Pertwee

Tom Baker

Peter Davison

Colin Baker

Sylvester McCoy

Paul McGann

Christopher Eccleston

David Tennant

Matt Smith

Peter Capaldi^(subtopic)

Jodie Whittaker

Ncuti Gatwa

This is one of my ideas I'll have the next few up soon. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I've nomed Capaldi's article Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I think this one is a good idea. It's quite manageable to promote each article to good status, given the amount of information that has been published on the various actors who have portrayed the Doctor. Perhaps us members of this WikiProject can focus on one Doctor at a time. Given that @OlifanofmrTennant has promoted Peter Capaldi, perhaps we can begin work on that article in earnest...? Lotsw73 (talk) 02:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually it hasn’t yet been promoted. Just nominated but yes anyone interested? I think after Capaldi the next easiest to promote would be Tennant or possibly T. Baker. The hardest would be McCoy. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Are those ratings fair? I don't think the McCoy article is start class for instance, I mean it's a long way off GA but... I think these things get reviewed and then never revisited. Rankersbo (talk) 12:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

The first one I started working on was McCoy and I was stuggling to find sources for him. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 14:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rankersbo and Lotsw73: After looking over the articles, I would suggest that Tennant and Baker are almost certainly the closest to GA. I would be willing to work on both that article and the others with anyone who is willing to help out. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant: I will have a look at improving/adding some references in those articles. Lotsw73 (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Doctor Who specials (2023)

4 articles

The Star Beast

Wild Blue Yonder

The Giggle

Contributor(s): OlifanofmrTennant, Alex 21

Doctor Who series 7

15 articles

"The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe"

"Asylum of the Daleks"

"Dinosaurs on a Spaceship"

"A Town Called Mercy"

"The Power of Three"

"The Angels Take Manhattan"

"The Bells of Saint John"

"The Rings of Akhaten"

"Cold War"

"Hide"

"Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS"

"The Crimson Horror"

"Nightmare in Silver"

"The Name of the Doctor"

Gonna leave these here Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Nightmare in Silver has been promoted, leaving just The Name of the Doctor. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant Just out of curiousity, why is User:OlifanofmrTennant/sandbox/Better Call Saul GT titled Better Call Saul if it's got the 60th specials? -- Alex_21 _TALK 03:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Alex 21:, I origanally used it for a Better Call Saul GT and I thought it would be easier to just repurpose it instead of creating a page. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Odd. No worries. -- Alex_21 _TALK 03:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Good Topics on the main page

Hi, not sure how to patch this up due to my lack of technical expertise, but the listing of Doctor Who Good Topics on the Project Page all link to Season 1 instead of the respective Season. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up its been fixed. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Doctor Who series 14 § Season 1 vs Series 14: Arbitrary break

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Doctor Who series 14 § Season 1 vs Series 14: Arbitrary break. This discussion relates to the location of season/series articles, based on the latest being retitled to a "Season 1" format, based on the current and common naming of the season. A list of moves has been proposed, based on a series of debated questions. -- Alex_21 _TALK 11:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That's a rather obscure notice, and it misses the lead. Which is adding the primary broadcast years for each season to the title of the article! Nfitz (talk) 23:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, as always. -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Latest "Doctor stories" templates

Thoughts on the necessity or existance of {{Fourteenth Doctor stories}} and {{Fifteenth Doctor stories}}? -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Fourteenth is a little iffy since we've reached the extent of his appearances and they are limited. My only argument for potentially keeping it would be the fact that it exists for the other doctors and there is a case for consistency (I am fully aware of OTHERCONTENT, just bringing the point up). While it may be slightly TOOSOON for fifteen, I don't necessarily see the point of going through a TFD only because I think we will get to a point where it is necessary as Gatwa is already filming series 15. TheDoctorWho (talk) 08:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I would keep them both, because the other Doctors have their own templates also. It also makes it easier to navigate each of these Doctors's episodes. Lotsw73 (talk) 08:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe the fourteenth doctors template could easily be replaced by the standered episode template. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Fifteenth I'd say is a necessity since he's already got at least two more seasons confirmed. Fourteenth is iffy, but per above I definitely feel like it would navigationally be useful due to the other numbered Doctors having one. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that {{Fifteenth Doctor stories}} is a bit too early, but its creation was inevitable so it might not even worth reverting again. {{Fourteenth Doctor stories}} is a bit excessive, though; it's practically identical to {{Doctor Who episodes|N13b}}, and both are used on mostly the same articles anyway. Due to the obvious similarities between their eras, might it be worth merging with {{Tenth Doctor stories}} instead? It's already linked there, so it seems logical to simply add it to the bottom. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

That could lead to confusion between the two incarnations Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it would any more confusing than the show already presents it. Here's a quick example of what it could look like (though I'm sure there are even better ways to do it). Just an idea. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't have any objection to merging the two but I think I'd like to suggest this as a viable alternative too. I assume the episodes would be the primary target for most people over something like The Forever Trap or The Eyeless. It would also properly fall under the "television" subheader. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposal at Talk:List_of_Doctor_Who_universe_creatures_and_aliens#Cleanup_Proposal

I have placed a proposal at Talk:List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens regarding the list and methods for a potential cleanup/improvement. I'd appreciate feedback/thoughts on this. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, I am planning a rewrite of List of Doctor Who supporting characters (Should this be renamed?) and am preparing the rewrite in my userspace subpage. I've mocked up a basic overview of what the article will look like, as well as what entries I plan on including in the list (Mainly attempting to keep it just to recurring characters to avoid clutter like the current list.) I still need to add spin-off characters and cite sources where applicable, but this should be a basic idea of what's planned. Asking for thoughts on this and if anything should be changed, since the list definitely needs a rewrite and I want to make sure the new list will be of a high quality. Additionally, are there any notable recurring characters I missed from the list that should be added? I believe I have mostly everyone but I feel I'm probably forgetting a few big ones. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistent italization

So why is Spyfall (Doctor Who) not italicized while The Five Doctors is? Five Doctors is one long part while Spyfall is two. Shouldn't TFD use quotation marks like the other specials? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I assumed modern era episodes aren't italicized while classic era episodes are. I don't know what the proper rationale is for that, but it's just what I've seen when it comes to how the episodes are split. I'm admittedly unsure as to whether or not specials have a unique distinction, but in the case of Spyfall, I believe it's just using the standard modern era format. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

The episode Mission to the Unknown isn't italized and is a classic episode Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:WHO/MOS#Terminology. Basically: is it a single episode or a serial? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Single episode. It’s one part Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

All serials are multi-part episodes, but not all multi-part episodes are serials. Spyfall is thus not a serial, but yes, The Five Doctors should be in quotes. -- Alex_21 _TALK 22:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

If there's not any disagreement to update the formatting to match other singular-episode releases, this is the list of articles that will need updating (easily do-able through AWB). -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

For clarity, what was the rationale for leaving The Five Doctors as is when The End of Time (Doctor Who) was changed to quotation marks? I can't find that discussion, though recall it taking place. U-Mos (talk) 08:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that was me, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who/Archive 32#"The End of Time". I brought it up then forgot to ever do anything about it. -- Alex_21 _TALK 10:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, great. No objection to changing it. U-Mos (talk) 10:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

"Continuity" sections in Episode Articles

I've noticed these sections a lot in episode articles, and I feel mixed on them. On the one hand, these references make sense to cover if they're mentioned in reliable sources, but on the other, it feels very CRUFTy to me to just have it be stuffed in its own section where it feels like it only exists for random fans to be like "Oh hey that was an easter egg!" Admittedly, I feel like the information is better off covered in a separate section, or not at all given most references typically aren't that important to the wider scope of the episode overall. Thoughts? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

These sections need to follow WP:TRIVIA. For example, in the latest episode Empire of Death, the use of video from Pyramid of Mars (as well as the implications from that serial) looks like it can be easily confirmed, but to document every nod to past Doctors in the Memory TARDIS is likely going to be difficult using RSes. Without sources these sections should be trimmed or removed. Masem (t) 23:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Oops - I say that, because earlier tonight before seeing this talk page, I boldly removed the Continuity section from the latest episode. I initially left it to see what would happen after a first editor created it, but when a second editor added more unsourced cruft I felt it needed to be nipped in the bud before it became a dumping ground for trivia. I feel there are already enough references to Pyramid of Mars, particularly the Tales of the TARDIS special, that I felt the continuity mention of 'there were some clips in the episode' added nothing. And as I noted in my edit summary, I wouldn't be against documenting what appears in the remembered TARDIS, but these details would be better placed in the Production section with appropriate sourcing. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 01:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I briefly mentioned this in an edit summary on Empire of Death yesterday. Personally, I've felt like continuity sections are FANCRUFT a solid 90% of the time, even with an RS. If the information is that important it can either be written into the plot summary or into the production section from an out of universe perspective. Instead of "Archival footage from Pyramids of Mars was featured from The Doctor’s memory." (a quote from the section that was removed on Empire of Death), we could just as easily slide "The Doctor and Ruby viewed footage from his past battle with Sutekh in Pyramids of Mars into the overall plot section. It has a better flow and doesn't require a source as it's sourced to the episode itself. We all saw it. Similarly the portion reading "The Seventh Doctor’s jacket is shown in the memory TARDIS as remembered by Mel." was already worked into the filming section and reads "The set was constructed to reference past iterations of the TARDIS interior, with props from former companions and past incarnations of the Doctor being used in order to decorate the space." That's sourced and better falls within the suggestions given at WP:UNIVERSE. Even if it was sourced, it would be unnecessary to list all the references anyways as it would approach WP:INDISCRIMINATE. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Basically my thoughts. I feel continuity sections should likely be removed or redistributed in the articles they are in. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

It was the sixth Docotrs jacket Mel held. But besides that i don’t know how important such a detail would be. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)