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Archive 1

Archive 2

Changes from "Indian" or other terms to "Amerindian"

DaRealPrinceZuko has been going through articles making this change. Not all are incorrect but at least once a quotation has been changed. See examples [1] and [2]. Also Talk:American Indian Wars#Amerindian and my post below which quotes from our article Indigenous peoples of the Americas

"The term Amerindian, a portmanteau of "American Indian", was coined in 1902 by the American Anthropological Association. It has been controversial ever since its creation. It was immediately rejected by some leading members of the Association, and, while adopted by many, it was never universally accepted. While never popular in Indigenous communities themselves, it remains a preferred term among some anthropologists, notably in some parts of Canada and the English-speaking Caribbean." Doug Weller talk 11:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Their addition of the indigenous peoples of North America to the Revanchism page is also odd and probably WP:OR after looking at the sources. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 23:27, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, somewhere at WP:NDN talk we have an archived consensus not to do this. While every community has individual dissenters, "Native American" and "Indigenous American", with a variety of options in linkage, are all preferable to "Amerindian" or "Amerind", which is outdated and was mostly used by non-Natives. While a number of Indigenous folks in Canada prefer not to use "Indian", in the US it's more neutral, and even the preferred term by a number of older Natives, and Natives of all ages in some regions. "Indian" is still the official term in a lot of contemporary organizations. We routinely revert the folks that go on these mass change sprees. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 00:27, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

People try that all the time, and when I have the time and energy, I revert. American Indian is a perfectly acceptable term when discussing American Indians (as opposed to Inuit, etc.) Yes, Amerind is a preferred term in Guyana and other Circum-Caribbean countries, so for articles about Indigenous peoples in those countries that term should stand. Multiple terms cover multiple populaces, so I actively try to resist homogenization that is not reflected in published or spoken literature. Yuchitown (talk) 01:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

Peopling of the Americas needs eyes

A lot of good faith edits from a new editor, I think overuse of media. Doug Weller talk 06:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 14:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:Canadian_people_who_self-identify_as_being_of_Indigenous_descent

This category for deletion discussion was relisted, because apparently the many initials votes were insufficient: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_4#Category:Canadian_people_who_self-identify_as_being_of_Indigenous_descent. Yuchitown (talk) 16:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

Good article reassessment for Monarchies in the Americas

Monarchies in the Americas has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Aymara people#Requested move 13 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Aymara people#Requested move 13 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 13:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Discussion of Deletion of Wolastoq

Attention is invited to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wolastoq with a proposal to WP:SALT the indigenous name to prevent reuse in identification of the river now given the ambiguous term Saint John. Thewellman (talk) 18:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Capitalization of Indigenous

The North American Indigenous WikiProject guidelines endorse capitalizing the word "Indigenous" when referring to Indigenous peoples, in line with guidelines from the AP, the APA, the Chicago Manual of Style, the Native American Journalists Association, etc. Does this WikiProject have a similar guideline? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

It's already at WP:INDIGENOUS?  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 21:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Oncamera So that's the guideline for all Indigenous peoples worldwide? My reason for asking is that I have previously been scolded for capitalizing Indigenous when referring to Indigenous peoples of Siberia/Russia and Europe (such as the Sámi). Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 23:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

yes, it's capitalized for them too.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 00:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Oncamera Excellent. Thank you very much. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 06:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

New editor changing spellings

See [3]. I've asked them to revert and explained why, but no response from them yet. There are a lot of reverts needed. Doug Weller talk 10:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Taken to ANI. Doug Weller talk 08:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to change the name of this WikiProject

Proposal to change the name of this WikiProject to ... Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of South America. Suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America#Related WikiProjects, it may avoid some confusion over the scope of this project, as it seems to mainly focus on South America rather than America as a whole. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - I'm not going to vote on this, but I do want to make two points:

1. I feel that culturally and historically, the Indigenous Caribbean belongs with South America. The aboriginal inhabitants of Cuba and Hispaniola, the Guanahatabey, the Macorix, and the Ciguayos are not well known, and their antecedents are unclear, but one theory of their origin is that their ancestors rafted across the Caribbean from South America (although the east coast of Yucatan or Belize is more likely). In any case, they had long been separated from any mainland groups. In the last 2,000 years, the Caribbean islands were colonized by the Taino and later groups, all definitely known to have originated on the continent of South America.

2. I don't think that the proposed change of name or any other change is going to make a damn bit of difference on coverage of topics related to the Indigenous Caribbean or South America. For one thing, this is the English Wikipedia, and topics related to the Indigenous peoples of what is now the United States and Canada will always get more attention. (And the great civilizations of MesoAmerica are sexy enough to get plenty of attention.) I have some interest in working on topics about the Indigenous Caribbean, but I have a lot of topics related to the Indigenous peoples of Florida that I want to work on, I don't read Spanish worth a crap, and I have access to far too few English-language sources about the Indigenous Caribbean and South America. What is needed is recruiting more editors who are interested in that area and can access and read both Spanish and English sources.

Donald Albury 17:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• I'm not opposed to this clarification but I think it's a moot point. This wikiproject is dead as WP Indigenous peoples of the Americas and it will remain dead as WP Indigenous peoples of South America. With that in mind, a more productive solution to the overlapping scopes is to merge the projects, as I've suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America#Related WikiProjects. – Joe (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)