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"Hitler and the Nazi regime were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 28.7 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European theatre."
Two words "In addition" seem to be typo error, because if we add 10 million Chinese killed besides millions of Japanese, Americans and other Asians and Africans, total killed in WW2 will be around 70 million, but most of the sources say 50 millions. Hence there is nearly 20 million discrepancy. Therefore, the above segment should be thus:-
"Hitler and the Nazi regime were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. 28.7 million soldiers and civilians (which includes 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war, besides 9.4 millions soldiers in Europe) died as a result of military action in the European theatre."
VJha (talk) 02:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC) (Vinay Jha)[reply]
VJha, the Our WWII deaths article puts total deaths estimates as ranging between 70 and 85 million, slightly over 2/3rds civilian, so the wording is probably correct. I don't know much about WWII figures, but establishing casualty totals in conflicts is notoriously problematic, inc for WWII. Pincrete (talk) 05:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need to be very careful and precise about the wording about casualties in a part of World War II. For example, my uncle was in the US Army Air Corps and was killed when his bomber was shot down over Italy in 1943. He clearly died in the European theater. On the other hand, my wife's uncle, a US Army private, spent 2-1/2 years in a Japanese POW camp before perishing in the Arisan Maru debacle, when a US submarine torpedoed a Japanese prison ship, resulting in the deaths of 1772 prisoners. That was not the European theater. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WWII deaths article is in conformity with sources from USA to USSR, the main difference is inclusion of war related famines and diseases causing 20 to 28 million death which I did not include. I counted military and civilian deaths directly resulting from military action, which is nearly 50 millions. VJha (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 28.7 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European theatre" :- it means 48 millions died due to Nazis in Europe alone, but this is not in conformity with WWII deaths article. But there are wide differences in various sources. This article should not mention the upper limit of estimates only. VJha (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The cited source in this article looks good. There may be a problem with the WWII deaths article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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"Sometime in the 1930s, Hitler adopted a mainly vegetarian diet,[412][413] avoiding all meat and fish from 1942 onwards. At social events, he sometimes gave graphic accounts of the slaughter of animals in an effort to make his guests shun meat."
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"Sometime in the 1930s, Hitler adopted a mainly vegetarian diet,[412][413] avoiding all meat and fish from 1942 onwards. At social events, he sometimes gave graphic accounts of the slaughter of animals in an effort to spoil the appetite of meat-eating guests; although this was not ethically motivated but rather a dislike of the hypocrisy of being disgusted by the process that gets meat to their plate while having no issue eating the meat." Or something along those lines.
Because the source cited for the last sentence implies the motive being to get them to shun meat which has ethical connotations when the source makes no such implications and portrays it rather as a form of trolling the guests if anything as clearly stated by "his distaste for meat knew no pity of animals" in the source.
"For a start, his distaste for meat knew no pity of animals. At mealtimes he often boasted - in graphic detail - of a slaughterhouse he had visited in Ukraine. It amused him to spoil carnivorous guests' appetites. As they put their forks down in disgust, he would harangue them for hypocrisy. "That shows how cowardly people are," he would say. "They can't face doing certain horrible things themselves, but they enjoy the benefits without a pang of conscience." Mhd25112 (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: I would ask for consensus before making this change, but if another editor wants to make it, feel free. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/$ 03:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ancestry -- More recent scholarship by Leonard Sax[edit]
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More recent scholarship by Leonard Sax points out that many Jews lived in places without official sanction and demonstrated the existence of a settled Jewish community in Graz before the law formally permitted their residence.
Sax, L. (2019). Aus den Gemeinden von Burgenland: Revisiting the question of Adolf Hitler’s paternal grandfather. Journal of European Studies, 49(2), 143–162. https://doi.org/10.1177/0047244119837477
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