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Book page[edit]

Hi Aaron, I've been working on my first attempt at a book page (in my sandbox). I'm hoping it isn't too essay-like, and I've tried to include citations where possible, but when you have time, I'd love to hear if you think I'm on the right track. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 16:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem essay-like to me, at least not at a first glance. Congratulations on that!

However, the first issue I've noticed is that the plot summary is wayy too long. MOS:PLOTLENGTH summarizes guidance; novels are recommended to not exceed 700 words, and yours is probably quadruple that. You also don't need to cite the plot, unless part of it is up to great interpretation as to what actually happened.

The "Structure" section is probably too short to stand alone; I'd say it should be merged into "Plot". Same goes for the pattern, which should probably be merged into "Themes". Yeah, it's not exactly the same kind of theme, but... hey. (Also, even if it were a separate section, I'd put it before the reception section to bunch the information about the book itself together.) Per MOS:NOBACKREF, the Scent section should probably just be called "Scent". I also want to merge it but can't find a good place to, so let's leave it alone.

I'd recommend you summarize the reception a bit (probably something like "praised for its prose and being 'evocative'" with certain quotes singled out (probably that of the Sunday and either Irish or Lancashire). I also wonder why you used a blockquote for the picture (‽) and used none of them for the reception.

Speaking of the picture... on Wikipedia, media is usually added right before the start of the relevant paragraph, so that you can look at it while reading the relevant information.

Now, let's talk about citation style. Not Wikipedia:Citation style, but stuff like WP:REFPUNCT. Citations should be put after everything they cover; don't put one before and call it a day; that makes the following part actually covered by the citation look unreferenced. The exception to this is blockquotes, where you put a citation after the colon. (Inline quotes still follow regular rules.)

Finally, for the purposes of user CSS customizabillytee or something, hatnotes should be made using some derivative of the {{hatnote}} template: in this case, {{for}}. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you: this is all very helpful. I have to say I was concerned about the length of the plot description too, but I'd read somewhere that it had to be a full account, and not just a teaser - and this book has so much plot! I'll have another try. And thanks for clarifying about the citations - it makes a lot of sense. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 08:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aaron, I've pruned the Plot section of the Strawberry Thief page to bring it to about 600 words, added a hatnote and followed your advice about block quotes, citations and reviews, as well as amalgamating the Morris and Scent sections under "Themes." It feels tighter to me now, but I'd appreciate any further feedback you could give me whenever you have a moment to spare. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aaron, Thank you for doing this; it feels a lot clearer to me now, and I appreciate your time. I've been trying to find a non-primary source for the author testimonials, but apart from the fact that they are printed in the book itself, and on some retailers' pages, including Amazon, I can't find anything I can use. Would it be better to just take them out? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 11:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we can't find sources, probably. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've found a couple that work, thanks: I have inserted them. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 15:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it okay for me to transfer the article into mainspace now, please? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 08:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bold the first occurrence of the title and we should be ready to go. Aaron Liu (talk) 10:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thanks. And once more, I appreciate all your help on this. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 14:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from ArthurTheGardener (14:51, 14 May 2024)[edit]

Hi Aaron, Sorry to bother you again, but I seem to have messed up my redirect - don't ask me how, I seem to have created a page called "The Strawberry" (novel) as well as the one I was meant to be moving into mainspace, and I don't seem to be able to revert it. Could you help, please? --ArthurTheGardener (talk) 14:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Go to Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests, and ask to move The Strawberry (novel) to The Strawberry Thief without a redirect. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you: I'll give it a try. Completely my fault - I overlooked the typo in the submission box! ArthurTheGardener (talk) 15:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One last thing[edit]

Hi Aaron, I'm aware that I've taken more than my fair share of your time, but I'm trying my hand at a different kind of page (in my sandbox) and I'd appreciate it if you could have a look whenever you can. After that I think I might have the confidence to go it alone! ArthurTheGardener (talk) 13:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, as your mentor, nearly any requests are worth my time! Not sure why you're writing a flower article lol but I'll take a look Aaron Liu (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands, the article is maybe too technical and I can hardly understand it. Wikipedia articles are mostly written in prose. You also don't want to just copy text from a source.

Maybe the better people to ask are at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much: I enjoy botany as well as books! I've been editing some of the other calendula pages, and I noticed this one didn't yet have an article. I'll take another look at the wording and simplify it (although the other calendula articles seem to be in much the same style). Thanks for the headsup about Wikiplants: I'll have a chat to them as well. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 13:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Maphoka on User:Maphoka (18:50, 16 May 2024)[edit]

Hello,can I get publish anything specifically --Maphoka (talk) 18:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes you can if that will get more views Maphoka (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Maphoka on User talk:Aaron Liu (18:52, 16 May 2024)[edit]

Hello I've been waiting for u --Maphoka (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My beauty is my identity[edit]

Our skin is our priority Maphoka (talk) 18:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, what is all this? What publishing? Also, you should come to expect processes on Wikipedia to take some time (though not more than a day). We're not an instant messaging service. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from ArthurTheGardener (16:08, 17 May 2024)[edit]

Hello Aaron, I've still not completely understood how to move a page from mainspace without making a mistake: in this case, I think I've somehow created a user page for a nonexistent user named after a species of lilac.Is there a way to change this, please? And I'm still not sure what to do about the redirect links: should they be on the page, too, please? --ArthurTheGardener (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I meant TO mainspace, of course. I think senility must be creeping in! ArthurTheGardener (talk) 16:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just like before, you should move the thing to the correct location using the same button and ask WP:RM/T if you can't. To delete redirects that would not be useful at all, you can use {{db-error}} or {{db-g7}}. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I'll try that. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 22:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Robby Roeplall (13:41, 19 May 2024)[edit]

Hi sir Aaron Liu,

I want to make Wikipedia information page for mr. Robby Roeplall so that people can consult his page for information. Can you please help me to initiate this? --Robby Roeplall (talk) 13:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, creating an article about WP:YOURSELF is an extremely bad idea per the link in this sentence. I really doubt that you meet our criteria for inclusion. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from ArthurTheGardener (15:46, 26 May 2024)[edit]

Hi Aaron, Today I came across an "invisible comment" for the first time (on a page devoted to the mulberry plant). I can't work out why it's invisible - or what purpose it serves.Can you please clarify? --ArthurTheGardener (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In VisualEditor, you add one by selecting the option under "Insert". In source mode (which I vastly prefer, but you do you!), you add it like .
These are usually for warning editors to not to make a certain change. On the Morus (plant) page's citations, an empty |author= parameter is used to stop the citation templates from erroring, and a comment is inserted to inform the editors that this is not an error. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see; thanks for satisfying my curiosity! ArthurTheGardener (talk) 19:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from ArthurTheGardener (18:58, 30 May 2024)[edit]

Hi Aaron, me again, I'm afraid. I've created a draft article Draft:Dogs of War and I realize that I need a disambiguation hatnote, but there are so many other uses of that phrase, and I don't know how to include them all. Could you help, please? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 18:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can use {{other uses}} with the first parameter set to The Dogs of War. Template:Hatnote templates has a list of every hatnote template out there. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's great; thank you. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 09:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Holom07 (14:03, 3 June 2024)[edit]

hello --Holom07 (talk) 14:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, how could I help you? Aaron Liu (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from ArthurTheGardener (06:42, 8 June 2024)[edit]

Hello Aaron, I've had one of my additions to the Joanne Harris page queried with several "failed verification" tags. I was trying to paraphrase the source, rather than quote it directly and risk plagiarism, but obviously I'm not getting the balance right. I'd really appreciate some advice on this if you have a moment to spare. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 06:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]