Draft talk:Aa Bhi Ja O Piya

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Hello Seraphimblade,

Thank you for your work. You closed that Afd as Delete. May I ask you why? The last relist by Liz mentioned no apparent consensus and posterior !votes were 2 Ks and 2 Ds (one asserting the film is a short when it's a feature....; the other considering R as a possible fair outcome); what's more indeed, 2 D !votes considered Redirect to List of Hindi films of that year (a common practice for released films, especially Indian ones, when the page presents multiple sources; and this one received not only coverage of the production but reviews; the film being mentioned in the target page) as a suitable option.

Can I ask you to have another look, please? Thank you very much. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seraphimblade, if you are willing reopen it, I will change my !vote to keep as I find the arguments by Eluchil404 and voorts that came in after mine compelling enough to flip. @Mushy Yank either way this goes, I do encourage you to start a discussion at WT:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force to get broader consensus Film Information is RS and meets "nationally known critic" criteria as it appears it could be quite useful. S0091 (talk) 15:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen these, but have had some things come up and don't have time to look at the moment. I suspect I will within a couple days; sorry for the delay. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, the reason I stumbled upon it and decided to nominate was because the creator was part of a sock farm that was creating articles to insert sneaky hoax elements to them, see [1], so when I was going to check the content to clean up any hoax elements left, I thought it looks non-notable anyway so better to nominate it for deletion instead. I still think it's not notable, apart from coverage (which includes mostly PR stuff with apparent incorrect claims), it had a very narrow, local release so failing "widely distributed" part as well, but if someone still wants an article, I would suggest to create it from scratch yourself instead of restoring the one that might have some sneaky hoax elements left (the user was also making copyvio plot copy pastes). Tehonk (talk) 03:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mushy Yank and S0091, if there's an editor involved who was known to do inaccuracies and copyvios, I think that's a very valid concern. What would the two of you, and Tehonk, think about moving the article to draft so it could be carefully checked for any issues like that, and then could be assessed for viability once anything like that has been addressed? Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, all. Draftifying seems like a very good idea in this case, yes, and would allow to addresss any potential issue (and improve the page, obviously). Or feel free to make it a page in my User space if no one agrees on a Draft except you and me. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Tehonk for providing additional context. I am fine with draftifying or userfying. S0091 (talk) 14:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with draftifying as well. Cheers. Tehonk (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved it to Draft:Aa Bhi Ja O Piya. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for everything. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Hello, @DareshMohan and Kailash29792:, pinging you with the hope we can find a 3d review/solid source, so that this can be moved to Main without any problem. I've checked the sources and did not find any "hoax" (see above). There was an apparent copyvio issue in the plot section but I've sort of addressed it (it can be improved). Redirect is still an option but given the discussion above, a standalone page seems to be a real possibility.Best, thanks in advance. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mushy Yank: There are no other reliable reviews. There may have been a review in a newspaper in North India but since it is not online and nobody posted it, we can't further this draft any more. DareshMohan (talk) 19:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks@DareshMohan. I'll ask concerned users if a page is OK. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moving[edit]

Hello, @Seraphimblade, Liz, RangersRus, Kailash29792, and Tehonk: @Voorts, Doczilla, Eluchil404, S0091, DreamRimmer, and The Gnome: contributors that participated in the last Afd (and nominator of Prod). Does anyone still object to moving the page to Main/or to a redirect? See the two discussions above (and the Afd).We could either recreate the page and reopen an Afd (!)/submit to Afc/ but if it's to end up redirecting the page to List of Hindi films of 2022, I think it might be a waste of time. Hence this thread. Thanks.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't see any major changes from when this was at AfD in terms of the notability concerns raised by the delete !voters, so I think this would just be speedy deleted under WP:G4 if it's moved back as is. However, I still maintain that this is notable and should be in the mainspace, but I'm not going to take this to DRV because I think that while the delete !votes were weak, the close was within closer discretion. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Indeed, there aren't major changes except the plot. Yes, you are right: DRV is another option (if Seraphimblade thinks it's better, of course). Let's wait until other users express their views, maybe? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think your approach of getting input from those at the AfD is the right one to take. So, let's see how that turns out. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I object to it not being in the mainspace. There are two reviews and that meets WP:NFILM. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have already explained at AfD why the Film Information review shouldn't be considered reliable. However, if the majority of users believe it should be in the mainspace, I am fine with moving it there. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • With two sections completely unsourced and the poor quality sources of the rest, I do not think that the article will have a serious chance of survival when put in main space. The Banner talk 09:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your input. But..... 2 sections completely unsourced?? Where? Plot and cast DO NOT need sources (or rather the film and its credits are the source, and the same could be said for music, which is the film content). But feel free to remove the music section if you think it's doubtful. (Songs can be partly verified here, for example) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lists in Wikipedia are not meant to be complete and exhaustive of their subject. This guideline is quite helpful. India produces 1,500-2,000 films every year. We are not supposed to list every one of them in the respective yearly list! The Wikipedia entries for 2021, 2022, and 2023 contain around thirty titles for each year, a clearly sufficient number, almost all of which are notable enough to have their own article here. There is no reason whatsoever to augment the 2022 list with the film of the deleted article. I oppose the film's inclusion to that list and any Redirect to it. There is no need to create bad precedents on account of one non-notable work. -The Gnome (talk) 17:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My vote was Delete or Redirect to List_of_Hindi_films_of_2022#October–December. Redirect is also ok. RangersRus (talk) 11:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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