Talk:13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2021

Change "128. Velikonja 2003, p. 180." to "128. Velikonja 2003, p. 181." (page 181 discusses the annihilation of Jews) On that subject, the above reference discusses the annihilation of Jews, but doesn't indicate that these actions were directly perpetrated by the 13th Waffen Mountain Division. I think a better reference should be found to justify accusing the division of such atrocities. NadavNahari (talk) 07:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

the article says "the division earned a reputation for brutality and savagery, not only during combat operations,[34] but also through atrocities committed against Serb[127] and Jewish civilians[128] in the security zone". fn 128 is Velikonja 2003 p. 180. On that page (at the top) it says "The division... was responsible for several atrocities against Serbian and Jewish civilians". So it does state that the division directly perpetrated atrocities against Jews, and is thereby verified. Velikonja is Professor of Cultural Studies and Head of the Centre for Cultural and Religious Studies at the Faculty of Social Sciences, University of Ljubljana, and is published by Texas A&M University Press = reliable source. Change not made. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

SS HANDZAR DELETION the entire section is false and pure communist propoganda. There was no Četnik involvement in the mentioned battle between the SS Handzar and German forces on one side, and the Communist Partisans on the other - especially not on the side of the Germans and the SS Handzar. The supposed battalion from Majevica/Romanija (do you realise how large a battalion is?) of Četniks were one of three fighting forces in the area, the SS Handzar and Germans were the second, and the Communist Partisans were the third. There was no joint attack on the Partisans by the Germans/SS Handzar and the Romanija Četniks. All three sides were fighting one another. The Četniks are being falsely represented in this article. Infact, they arent even represented through facts or references. Who were these Četniks? What was the name of the division involved? How many in their battalion? Who was their commander? Nothing is sourced, no evidence or references are given. The section states that 'Četniks' were involved. However, it doesnt state which Četniks and under whose command. Nothing. One sentence claims 'oh yeah the same Četniks that attacked the Partisans with the Germans at the last made-up battle in this article (which also has no evidence of Četnik involvement). And oh yeah btw it was an entire battalion....more than 1000 armed soldiers apparently. But of course we dont know their commanders name, nor the name of the battalion. Keep the section in the article if you like. But be honest and remove any mention of the involvement of an imaginary NAZI-allied 1000 strong battalion of Četniks in the battle. Pure communist propoganda 2405:6E00:2651:B5B4:AFA2:1BB9:2A1B:A812 (talk) 02:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

EVIDENCE OF CETNIK AND SS HANDZAR ALLEGIANCE

This article reads stalinistic. The Cetniks are mentioned more than the SS Divison that the article is supposedly supposed to be about. There is no evidence of SS Handzar and Cetnik cooperation in Bosnia. Infact, such a claim defies all basic common sence and knowledge, and could only be accepted by communist ideologues for propoganda purposes. If the Cetniks are fighting the Communists all over Yugoslavia since 1941, then that doesnt mean that they are suddenly allies of the SS Handzar when the SS Unit and Communists finally start to fight eachother in 1944 (before the mass crossover of former fascists and concentration camp guards from the SS into Partisan units).

If one side is fighting the other in one area, that doesnt mean that if a third side joins the conflict and attacks one of the parties that they are now allies. Keserovic and the Cetniks of the area did not have any dealings with the Muslim fascists. Protecting the local Serb civilian population from the genocide being committed by the Muslim Ustase in Eastern Bosnia was the major reason Cetnik formations were created in the first place. Absolutely disgusting. Lenin would be proud 2405:6E00:2651:B5B4:AFA2:1BB9:2A1B:A812 (talk) 03:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

What utter nonsense. If you want to be taken seriously, produce the high quality academic sources that support your argument. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)