Talk:1582 Cagayan battles

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This article is one-sided and reeks of imperialistic bragging. No matter who won these "fights", sentences like «European Fencing proved to be better than the Japanese martial arts and Toledo steel swords much stronger and useful than katanas» appear an attempt to prove some sort of superiority. I am pretty sure that the whole article could be rephrased, in this example: «Better trained troops and weapons and armour of higher quality played a decisive role in the victory.» — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.60.65.115 (talk • contribs) 23:51, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

"The Spanish then took the Japanese weapons that were left on the battlefield as trophies, which included beautiful katana and armor. European Fencing proved to be better than the Japanese martial arts and Toledo steel swords much stronger and useful than katanas."????????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.42.130.106 (talk) 13:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a fascinating subject, but the simple fact that it is written in broken English makes it impossible to take this article seriously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.118.140 (talk) 13:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

July 11 2014 - I went through the article and fixed the broken English. Still needs citations — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.41.234 (talk) 19:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you could learn Spanish, travel to Seville, read the ORIGINAL LETTERS FROM SEVERAL WITNESSES, translate them to English and write it yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.176.135.17 (talk) 13:31, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also fixed up some words, namely the use of "Japanese" ... it says in the first part of the article that the Wokou weren't even Japanese, yet it kept referring to them as such — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.41.234 (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC) [reply]

This article is total rubbish. According to "Elusive Pirates, Pervasive Smugglers: Violence and Clandestine Trade in the Greater China Seas" by Robert J. Antony pp. 82-83, the wako pirates left without a fight.

It's not rubbish, it's documented along with several other similar encounters. Japanese armor and weapons from this incident are in a museum in the Philippines. All the records are in Spanish though and it has not been translated, which is why this is not well known in the Anglophone world. The article needs to be cleaned up and hopefully will be soon, but it shouldn't be attacked just because it seems surprising.

The Waco or Wagu pirates were Chinese, Korean and Japanese but it's well known and well established in Academic circles that they used thousands of Ronin Samurai as muscle. The Dutch also incidentally used a lot of them. Whenever a Daimyo was killed his Samurai became Ronin and many of them had no place in Japan during the 16th Century as what was to be the Tokugawa Shogunate was coalescing. Thus a glut in the market for Ronin.

It's well known and well established that Waco pirates were Japanese pirates but it's possible there were some Chinese or Korean person who individually joined or were abducted and became Waco. Above sentence including Chinese and Koreans were Waco is a misleading personal opinion.

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Let's see if the the original letters from the Governor of the Philippines, the Treasury Factor and the Bishop of the Philippines to the Virroy of Mexico and the King of Spain are enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.176.135.17 (talk) 14:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]