Talk:1970 Caribbean–Azores hurricane

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Date	Process	Result
January 12, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that a tropical depression in 1970 was the wettest tropical cyclone on record in Puerto Rico?

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tropical Depression Nineteen (1970)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC) I will be reviewing this article, I'll have the full review completed within the next hour.[reply]

"On October 8, the depression crossed over the eastern portion of the Dominican Republic, and subsequently it accelerated to the northeast." - Minor factual error. Use eastern portion of Hispanola or just Dominican Republic, your choice of which one.
- Yea, I didn't realize how far inland it is. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
At the start of the Meteorological history, you link Africa on its second use rather than its first. Also, why link it here and not in the lede?
- Oops. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The system exited the west coast of Africa the next day, and on September 24 it developed into a tropical depression about 95 mi (153 km) southwest of Conakry, Guinea." - Comma after 24
- I personally disagree. Too many commas disrupt the flow. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"On October 7, the depression attained its lowest pressure of 1000 mbar..." - Convert mbar to inHg
- Boo :( --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The next day, it made landfall and crossed eastern Dominican Republic." - Where did it make landfall?
- Added province. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"After exiting into the Atlantic Ocean, the depression accelerated to the northeast, followed by an eastward turn on October 10 before another turn to the northeast." - I'm not a fan of this sentence but I don't know what can be done to change it without adding "fluff". If you can think of a way to reword this, good. Otherwise it can just be left as is.
- Yea, given it is the end of its MH, and there isn't much else to say about it, I'd prefer to leave it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"By October 12, the depression could no longer be classified as a tropical cyclone, although satellite imagery indicated its remnants continued northeastward." - To an average reader who doesn't understand the specifics of degeneration, they could see this as the storm dissipating yet not dissipating at the same time (latter part of the sentence states a contrary to something not mentioned earlier).
- Notice, I didn't say it dissipated. I carefully chose the wording per MWR and HURDAT. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"...suppressed by a strong high pressure area to its north. It re-intensified while crossing through the Azores, attaining a pressure of 994 mbar." - Same as previous pressure comment. Also, was the system extratropical by this time or was it a "strong" remnant low?
- The available sources don't indicate its structure at the time. It isn't in HURDAT, so it couldn't be tropical, that's all I know. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"On or around October 3, forecasters advised residents on islands from Barbados and St. Vincent through to Guadeloupe to prepare for floods, high seas, and gale-force gusts." - Just use around. Link St. Vincent and Guadeloupe.
- K. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"As it crossed through the islands, it produced heavy rainfall, including 8.90 in (226 mm) on Saint Lucia, 2.19 in (56 mm) on Dominica..." - What's "it", the gusts? Previous sentences give no indication of what you're referring to. Also link Dominica
- Clarified. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"In the latter island, the depression left 200 people homeless, caused $500,000 in damage, and killed three people." - Going by order of importance, I would put the fatalities first, though, technically it doesn't matter.
- Oh, I prefer putting them incremental orders of importance. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any additional information for the USVI aside from the two sentences in the article?
Puerto Rico is linke on its second use in the Preparations and impact section rather than its first.
- Remnants of the disorganized mess while producing the article. Fixed --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"This was the highest rainfall total from a tropical cyclone on record in Puerto Rico, surpassing the deadly hurricanes of 1928 and 1899." - Maybe add how much these storms dropped to give context of how much the record was surpassed.
- Added. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"At least 600 houses were destroyed and another 1000 damaged." - change 1000 to 1,000
- K. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Barceloneta is linked on its second use rather than its first
- K. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Flooding forced the closure of Puerto Rico Highway 2 between Manati and Barceloneta, Puerto Rico." - per above, delink Barceloneta. Also, the second use of Puerto Rico isn't needed.
- Oops. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The depression left more than $40 million (1970 USD) in crop damage..." - Add inflated value
- K. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"...primarily to the sugar cane and coffee..." - The sugar cane? The one and only? You catch my drift here, right?
- I caught it, for rizzle! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did a brief check of news sources and it appears that many of them claim higher fatality totals than stated in this article. I think that these reports should be mentioned at least briefly.
- The reason being is that most of them claim the missing as fatalities, and they say that outright. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The National Guard, the Red Cross, and others helped displaced persons." - specify what the others were, as in other people, other agencies, other fund raises, ect...
- Clarified. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In doing some source searching of my own, I discovered a USGS piece not used here. I'm not sure if it as any additional information so please read through it. There may also be some additional information in the previously mentioned news sources.
- Yea, I saw that before while researching the storm, and there isn't anything new... same death and damage toll. The only thing it added was clarifying where the rains were, but as the rains affected the whole island, I didn't think it was worth adding. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the issues are minor and can easily be fixed. A few are the need for additional information which shouldn't take long. I'll be glad to pass this article once the comments are met. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I still have to get a few things, which I'll do later on. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like all but one comment has been addressed. "Is there any additional information for the USVI aside from the two sentences in the article?" Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, got that now. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 January 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 04:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Fifteen (1970) → 1970 Caribbean–Azores hurricane – We haven't used the current format for article titles in a long time, and it doesn't mean anything calling it a number (except for modern TD's if they are article worthy). The hurricane part of its track was near the Azores, so perhaps something like "1970 Hispaniola-Azores hurricane". I'm not sure what the best title is, but I don't think it's the current one. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:30, 18 January 2022 (UTC)}[reply]

Just to add to this, I spoke with some other users offline. One suggestion I really liked was 1970 Caribbean–Azores hurricane, as it is accurate, concise, and unambigious. By putting Hispaniola or Puerto Rico in the title, there is ambiguity by nature of the storm's track west of where it caused the greatest damage. Caribbean is a good umbrella term, and the title now is descriptive of the event, much more so than "Hurricane Fifteen", which says nothing other than it being the 15th TC of the season. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's definitely better than what we have now, and it does cover the areas it went through. The real question is if there is any information from the Estado Novo era of SMN... Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:21, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support only 1970 Caribbean hurricane. I fail to see any damage in the Azores. 🐔dat (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article hasn’t been rewritten yet to reflect reanalysis. I believe the Azores part is needed because that is where it became a hurricane, even if the effects there were apparently minor. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:09, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Support, then. 🐔dat (talk) 10:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.