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CONCACAF Champion's League roster[edit]

I've removed this section as it is unnecessary. The Crew doesn't have a separate team for for each competition. They usually just rotate starters. If you think it's necessary, let's have a discussion before we add it to the article. Thanks! chr1st ^{mistakes were made} 21:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas - I'd first like to apologize if I was too hasty with my last revert. I don't want to curb your enthusiasm for Wikipedia, and I certainly don't want to break your desire to experiment. I just want to make sure we're adding only necessary and vital information. That being said, I would like to discuss the addition of this section. Allow me to explain why we can do without this new content.

Redundant Information - The information under this new section merely reiterates what is already provided in the article. Furthermore, every MLS team has only one roster (well, two or three, depending how you classify the reserves and academies). They do not have separate rosters for separate competitions. They simply pull players for every competition from their one pool (roster) of players. If you find the overall team roster isn't up-to-date, I'd encourage you to update it, not add another section.
No Consensus - I haven't seen a separate section for rosters per competition used on any of the other "well-kept" team articles. For example, FC Barcelona and Arsenal do not make use of this section (to be honest, I haven't seen any article do what you're proposing). If a team does make any reference to players in specific competitions, it is usually done through a "squad stats" table. If you'd like create a squad stats table for each MLS team and dutifully update it, I'd more more than willing to help.
Consistency - If we're adding a roster section for the Champions League competition, then we must be sure to add a roster for each and every competition that the team enters, for the sake of consistency. Additionally, if this is a change you seriously endorse, then we should make an effort to roll this out to all team pages that require it. Again, for consistency. I have neither the time nor the energy to undertake such a task, but perhaps you do.

Now that you've read my viewpoint, please share what you think. I'm sure we can come to a conclusion that enhances Wikipedia. Also, if anyone else has a point to make, please chime in. Thanks! chr1st ^{mistakes were made} 06:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the chart is largely repetitive, and a bit cluttery. If the Champion's League roster information is really essential, it could be indicated by some kind of marker alongside entries in the MLS roster, rather than an entire new and separate list of essentially the same players. This would confer the additional advantage over separate charts, by showing clearly which MLS Roster players were or were not included in the Champion's League roster. JohnInDC (talk) 13:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We have the same issue at 2011 Real Salt Lake season and I noted this discussion on the Talk page there. JohnInDC (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This was my mistake Chris. I did not see your original message until just this moment. I originally created Champions League rosters because according to the MLSSoccer.com article I obtained the news from, CONCACAF requires its own set list of players for its quarterfinal rosters. Unless I misread the article, it seemed that a CCL roster can contrast from an MLS roster since requirements on roster spaces and lineups vary. There were lists of players in the article that were excluded from the Champions League roster due to injuries. Though it's too early to tell, some of the players might have different numbers they wear for CCL matches than MLS matches. I have no objection to removing the CCL squads from these articles, but I just felt there were some key differences to take note. Twwalter (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for taking so long to get back to this (darn life!). No worries, I just didn't want to create any confusion or start an edit war. Yes, CONCACAF requires a roster of players to be declared, but teams just draw that list from their league roster. And yes, there are some weird roster exemption rules for the Crew and RSL, but they're still pulling players from one central roster. As for the numbers changing/player differences, I think it stems from two problems...

It's still preseason for MLS, so the overall roster might have a lot of turnover. Basically, nothing is set in stone.
The "official" Crew roster is frequently wrong. I think it has something to do with it not being updated often/properly. For that reason, I try not to rely on it.

I think you're right, though. It might be useful to note which players play in Champions League matches. Does the recently added stats table fulfill that need? That, or I'd support JohnInDC's idea of adding a marker or note on the MLS roster. Thoughts? chr1st ^{mistakes were made} 15:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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