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texas open?[edit]

On the official website's calendar I couldn't see any Texas Open. Where did you get the informations? -- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:02, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first reference http://www.wtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar_2011.pdf has a "TBD" on that date. http://www.wtatour.com/page/OffCourtNews/Read/0,,12781~2226914,00.html says: "Then the city of Grapevine, Texas, near Dallas, will host the Texas Open just one week before the year's final Grand Slam in New York." WTA seems slow to update their schedule. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a reference.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I didn't watch the news ;). Texas Open sounds good to me. Than I will create the page, is it k, or should we wait a little bit more?-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 11:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be OK to create now. Hopefully the WTA news is real and didn't jump the gun before everything was agreed. You might add mention it's still not on the official calendar as of [date]. If you search information then you may find links going to a dead page which can be seen in Google's cache: site:http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/10/21/2567429/grapevine-lands-wta-event-for.html. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Texas Open (tennis) has been created but WTA cannot get their act together. The mention of Texas Open in Grapevine has been removed from http://www.wtatour.com/page/OffCourtNews/Read/0,,12781~2226914,00.html even though it is still dated "November 21, 2010" but no longer has the content it did then. There is still nothing at http://www.wtatour.com/page/Calendar/0,,12781,00.html which is undated. And there is still "TBD" at http://www.wtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar_2011.pdf which is dated "5-nov-11"! PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I sent them a message. We will see what they will write.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have good experiences with getting replies from commercial entities. WTA changed http://www.wtatour.com/page/OffCourtNews/Read/0,,12781~2226914,00.html from

"Four new tournaments ... Rounding out the year's new tournaments will be two outdoor hardcourt competitions in the US. The Troy Park Women's Tennis Championships, to be played at a brand new facility in Elkridge, Maryland, will hit its first serve on July 25. Then the city of Grapevine, Texas, near Dallas, will host the Texas Open just one week before the year's final Grand Slam in New York. Both are International-level tournaments."

to

"Three new tournaments ... Rounding out the year's new tournaments will be an outdoor hardcourt competition in the US: the International-level Troy Park Women's Tennis Championships, to be played at a brand new facility in Elkridge, Maryland, will hit its first serve on July 25."

If Grapevine was still in consideration then I guess they would have formulated the change less definitively but it's annoying that they fumble with dates and we have to do original research and speculation to figure out what they are up to. We cannot even say verifiably which claim is most recent since both official dated sources are falsely dated and the last official source is undated. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is now 2011 and the tournament is still not listed at the official site. Since the undated removal from http://www.wtatour.com/page/OffCourtNews/Read/0,,12781~2226914,00.html I don't think it's mentioned anywhere by WTA. I have removed it from our list [2] and proposed deletion of Texas Open (tennis). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:36, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe deleting is not the right thing to do see the 2012 and 2013 schedules KnowIG (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now "Texas Tennis Open" has also been added to the 2011 calendar at http://www.wtatour.com/page/Calendar/0,,12781,00.html! But there are no links for the tournament and it's not on the drop down calendar when clicking "WOMEN" at top of any WTA page. The falsely dated http://www.wtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar_2011.pdf still says "TBD". And the falsely dated http://www.wtatour.com/page/OffCourtNews/Read/0,,12781~2226914,00.html has still removed all mention of the tournament. The only Google hits on "Texas Tennis Open" are from WTA calendars. The mystery continues. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have deprodded Texas Open (tennis) and made a messy references section which tries to show the contradictory WTA info but it doesn't look good for a Wikipedia article. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The tournament profile has been created, and it is also mentioned herе (pages 19 and 31). --Helios13 (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Colors[edit]

Why not use these colors in the calendar tables ?

Winner — Legend (pre/post 2010)
Grand Slam tournaments
WTA Tour Championships
Tier I / Premier Mandatory & Premier 5
Tier II / Premier
Tier III, IV & V / International

They are the ones used for the Clijsters, Wozniacki, Zvonareva, Serena and Venus career stats articles (possibly others). They are easier on the eyes than the ones currently used and they match the ATP colors. There was a discussion here about the colors, but the 2010 WTA Tour and 2011 WTA Tour pages, to this date, still have the old scheme. --JMDP (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

100% agree the colors should change. What you propose is good. The only thing to consider is possibly breaking up Mandatory and Premier 5 (with soft colors for both). But even outside of that, these colors should change ASAP throughout all of woman's tennis.RonSigPi (talk) 01:28, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Doubles Team Rankings[edit]

Why he doubles team current ranking are not present here ? Only 2011 Championship RACE positions and rankings of individual doubles players are present now.
Anish Viswa 01:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mainly because the overall doubles rankings aren't specific to 2011, whereas the Race rankings are. Sellyme^Talk 06:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Internationaux de Strasbourg[edit]

Why are the results from strasbourg are not part of the statistics? I miss andrea petkovics victory as well as doubles champions amamuradova and her asian partner (chinese taiwan). I'm to shy and maybe not smart enough to edit pages in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.7.210.186 (talk) 19:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But they are... Sellyme^Talk 21:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not to find in the statistics title won by player and not to find in title won by nation... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.128.240.62 (talk) 10:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hrm, you're right. I'll go through and check for any other errors when I wake up tomorrow. Sellyme^Talk 11:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i hope you woke up again... :) i still cannot find the results in the statistics... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.128.154.85 (talk) 12:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I kinda forgot >.>. It's all there now though. Sellyme^Talk 12:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ranking into the Tournament.[edit]

It will be informative if the rankings of the players are kept in brackets next to the seeded players in the individual 'Singles/Doubles' pages of individual tournaments.

eg:)

Seeds[edit]

(Numbers inside brackets denote ranking at the start of the tournament).

Vera Zvonareva (xxx)
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (xxx)
Elena Vesnina (xxx)
Ekaterina Makarova (xxx)

Monica Niculescu (xxx)
Elena Baltacha (xxx)
Ksenia Pervak (xxx)
Evgeniya Rodina (xxx)

Anish Viswa 08:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great, I'd support this. It'd also allow for an easy explanation of any draw-fudging by the officials like at Wimbledon where the Williams sisters were inexplicably seeded higher. Sellyme^Talk 12:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are already parentheses after the seed names in ongoing and past tournaments but they are used to show how far the player got, for example 2011 Wimbledon Championships – Women's Singles#Seeds. Singles ranks at seeding time are showed in the main article about the tournament, for example 2011 Baku Cup#Seeds (the above example) and 2011 Wimbledon Championships#Women's Singles_2 (which explains that Wimbledon seeds can depend on grass court credentials). I don't think the ranks from the seeding should be repeated in the draw articles. Also, the rank has often changed when the tournament starts. Wimbledon often seeds some players above their ranking. See http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2011-06-15/201106151308128657255.html. WTA tournaments are not allowed to make changes but the Grand Slams are not organized by WTA.

This discussion is not about this particular article and should be at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis if you want to change hundreds or maybe thousands of articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm, it should be at WP:TENNIS. However, I disagree with you about not needing to since it exists on another article. Redundancy is good, and we should never assume that readers have or will read other articles to catch up. Your point about the (First round) etc. progress markers is a valid point, and one that makes this proposal difficult and unwieldy as currently stated, but if there was an alternative means of displaying this information, I strongly believe it should be in the individual draw articles. Sellyme^Talk 14:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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