Talk:2016 F4 British Championship

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Requested move 8 January 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. As noted, a histmerge was required. Jenks24 (talk) 07:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


2016 MSA Formula Championship → 2016 MSA Formula season – The series doesn't have a "Championship" in its name. [1] Corvus tristis (talk) 10:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

agreement. "Championship" Official website is not used.--Bakete (talk) 12:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment this appears to support the use of the term Championship. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per additional research, despite the logo referenced above, it does appear sans Championship is the more commonname. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A cut and paste move has already been performed, and will need fixing whatever decision is made here, which I am neutral on for the record. QueenCake (talk) 16:44, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Article move[edit]

I have been trying to move this article name to 2016 MSA Formula Championship but I am being consistently reverted by User:Corvus tristis for the cited reasons;

a) Move request dated January 8 and,
b) WP:COMMONNAME

With regards to a) the move request was to 2016 MSA Formula season and not the article's current name of 2016 MSA Formula so the move request does NOT apply. As to b) COMMONNAME does not apply for the reason that in English, 2016 MSA Formula is NOT a name! At best it is a description. MSA Formula is the name of the vehicles, 2016 is the year. 2016 MSA Formula makes no more sense than 2016 Formula One. --Falcadore (talk) 02:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that it should be moved. But the conversation above implies that championship is not part of the name. If this is true the intro to the article needs to be changed and this should be moved to 2016 MSA Formula season. If it is indeed the MSA Formula Championship, then it should be moved to 2016 MSA Formula Championship. Mattlore (talk) 00:11, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except it is true as mentioned by User:Tiggerjay in the move request and User:Corvus tristis dismisses it. --Falcadore (talk) 00:29, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well this is a mess because of the post-consensus moves that have taken place. In general, once consensus has been reached through a requested move, it should not be moved without further discussion. Additionally unless significantly new information is brought forward, consensus based move discussions should stay that way for 6 months... I have gone ahead and restored the article back to 2016 MSA Formula season which is where it should remain until a discussion can take place. Taking a look at the comments listed above, it appears that the problems suggested by Falcadore have been resolved with this restoration of the article. It also appears that Mattlore agrees that this is the correct title for this article. However, should anyone feel there is a better name, please be sure to present policy based reasons for the change, supported with multiple reliable sources. Tiggerjay (talk) 02:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There was extensive discussion of the issue at WT:Motorsport as it pertains to all season articles, not just this one and a consensus was achieved there, however User:Corvus tristis seems to have mis-understood some of the aspects of it. --Falcadore (talk) 05:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry but WT:Motorsport is bordering on WP:TL;DR. Can you please summarize here, and specific state how you want this article to be retitled. Tiggerjay (talk) 07:27, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To be given the name of the championship. If its 2016 MSA Formula Championship then that's where it goes. If it's 2016 MSA Formula Cup or 2016 MSA Formula Series or 2016 MSA Formula Conglomeration or 2016 MSA Formula Challenge or 2016 MSA Formula Dance Party, whatever the name of the championship is. 2016 MSA Formula is just a year and a class. It's incomplete. --Falcadore (talk) 12:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Falcadore Sorry, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I understand that 2016 MSA Formula is complete, but the article is no longer titled that way -- it has been restored to 2016 MSA Formula season. Are you saying that this article is about the championship instead of the season? I don't see WT:Motorsport bringing any clarification on when championship should be used versus other terms. The initial move was based on the discussion that there was no evidence to support the titling of "Championship" because it isn't commonly referred to as that; and because that discussion over at WT:Motorsport hadn't taken place yet. It may seem obvious to you that Championship is the correct target, but we need more than simply pointing to a very long discussion and without any reliable sources to support your statement. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:22, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying the season is not the championship? No event other than the championship are mentioned, article title should reflect that.
Isn't commonly referred to? Than what is it commonly referred to as? 2016 MSA Formula is not a title. It's not a name, it's a sentence fragment. 2016 in MSA Formula makes more sense. I am referring to the name of the article here. COMMONNAME does not apply to 2016 MSA Formula because it is not a name! MSA Formula is the set of regulations, 2016 is a year, combining those two on their own is not a name. 2016 Formula One season is a name. 2016 Formula One is not.
The purpose of the discussion at WT:Motorsport is that where possible the name of the championship should be used to describe these articles rather than a "season" title, except where an article covers multiple championships are covered. MSA Formula is a Formula 4 series, so 2016 Formula 4 season would be an article covering all Formula 4 racing, but this refers to one specific Formula 4 championship, so the article should have the name of that championship. --Falcadore (talk) 04:16, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you look here the official website refers specifically to MSA Formula Championship. --Falcadore (talk) 04:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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