Talk:2017 Edmonton attack

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Requested move 20 February 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. The proposal is correct that it is important to consider WP:BLPCRIME when creating articles, and to say the event was an "attack" may indeed incorporate a sense of volition. However, "attack" is used in a majority of reliable sources, and in the strictest sense, whether there was volition involved in the event is not the only determining factor in whether or not the accused is guilty of a crime. Per what is required in WP:BLPCRIME, editors here have "seriously consider[ed] not including material... that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured," and have determined that the title is warranted in this case. See also Talk:2017 New York City truck attack#Requested move 20 February 2018. Dekimasuよ! 19:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Edmonton attack → 2017 Edmonton stabbing and van chase – I believe that WP:BLPCRIME protection for Abdulahi Sharif should take priority over WP:COMMONNAME considering that the sources only mention that he has been charged with murder, not that he has been convicted of it. I believe our policy is to await convictions before saying someone did a crime as a matter-of-fact. Asserting these events are an "attack" in the very title creates the sort of problem Mahamad Accord discusses in this source:

Huncar, Andrea (5 October 2017). "Religion played no major role in life of man charged in Edmonton attacks, says human rights activist". cbc.ca. Added Accord: "He's been tried and convicted in the media."

My suggested title is derived from searching media titles until coming across one which does appear to abide by BLP policy:

"Trudeau calls stabbing and van chase in Edmonton a terrorist attack". nationalobserver.com. 1 October 2017.

Moving back to the "attack" title is something we should only do when Mr. Sharif has actually has a criminal conviction establishing that an attack actually happened. While it is true that the MSM is calling this an attack en-masse, I think our BLP policies prohibit us from repeating this to impugne Sharif's character, because Wikipedia based on our present printed policies purports to have higher standards than they do. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. By definition, a stabbing is an attack, so I see no reason to move. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't see how this proposed change would make any meaningful difference. Lepricavark (talk) 20:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Too specific. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Photo request[edit]

I'm curious exactly what kind of photo would be appropriate to add to the article that will enhance it in any way? Pteridaceae (talk) 09:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]