Talk:2018 Münster attack

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The crime-related cats have been removed, even though the authorities and media are clearly treating it as a vehicle-ramming attack. No reliable source is claiming that it was an accident. The driver shot himself dead straight after driving into people, which wouldn't have happened if it had been an accident. Very few people in Western Europe routinely carry a loaded gun in their cars. Jim Michael (talk) 06:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a consensus amongst the reliable sources that it was murder? Perhaps the driver's apparent mental health problems played a part? -- DeFacto (talk). 07:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear that he was mentally ill, but he deliberately killed people. Many mentally ill people have been convicted of murder. Had he lived, he'd have been tried for murder. Even if you don't agree that it was murder, it was certainly a serious crime, so I can't understand not agreeing with Category:2018 crimes in Germany and Category:April 2018 crimes in Europe being on the article. Jim Michael (talk) 08:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do those opinions have due weight in reliable sources? -- DeFacto (talk). 08:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 July 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. No consensus formed in over 2 weeks. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:50, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Münster attack → Münster van attack – (or '2018 Münster van attack') - better and clearer clarification, helping users to WP:RECOGNIZE the subject. 'Attack' is a bland term that could mean anything. Gateshead001 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 20:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Would support per Gateshead001, but it was a (camper) van used.Pincrete (talk) 19:15, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. I've changed it from 'car' to 'van'. --Gateshead001 (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Looking at Category:Vehicular rampage in Europe, the current title is consistent with similar incidents. If you want to change one, you should change them all. WWGB (talk) 00:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not all are like that, such as Toronto van attack, a format which is much more clearer and clarified than e.g. 'Toronto attack'. Also a lot of the media have called Münster a van attack, as seen with a Google search. --Gateshead001 (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose removal of year the year is standard in terrorist attack articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:57, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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