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Lack of Neutral point of view and potential POV issues

First of all, this situation is evolving really fast. It is important for everyone that they wait for the things to clear up a bit instead of adding anything and everything. Thus, misleading the readers. Secondly, the article has been written giving weight only to a specific section and ignoring what other facets are involved. I understand RSUW is to be adhered to but so should NPOV. And let's not forget NOT specifically NOTNP AnM2002 (talk) 09:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

AnM2002, while you talk of specifics, this comment is full of unhelpful generalisations!! Please make changes to the article rather than just pointing out what is lacking. Most of us clearly see what is lacking. Thank you! DTM (talk) 11:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


@DiplomatTesterMan: my intention was to give some not so considerate editors a heads up before they start their insensible revert war and also to start a general discussion about the article's discourse. Unfortunately! not everyone understands the gist of WP:BOLD unlike you. Happy editing!AnM2002 (talk) 11:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK Nom

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Amkgp (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

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Created by Manakpreet Singh (talk), DiplomatTesterMan (talk), SangrurUser (talk), Historian Jatt (talk), and ChunnuBhai (talk). Nominated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk) at 11:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC).

Yes, this is an ITN. This can be closed and removed from this list. DTM (talk) 13:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Needs Correction

The 3 acts are listed - However - the description of “Farmers (Empowerment and Protection) Agreement on Price Assurance and Farm Services Act, 2020”, the 2nd act, is a complete copy of the first act, “ Farmers' Produce Trade and Commerce (Promotion and Facilitation) Act, 2020.” JsGoldie (talk) 12:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

JsGoldie, Already done in Special:Diff/992687995. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 12:38, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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ADD: Khalistan Supporters In US Vandalise Mahatma Gandhi's Statue

  1. https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/khalistan-supporters-in-us-vandalise-mahatma-gandhis-statue-during-protest-for-farmers.html
  2. https://www.dnaindia.com/india/news-anti-farm-law-protestors-vandalise-mahatma-gandhi-statue-in-us-washington-khalistani-flags-sighted-2861615
  3. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/khalistani-elements-deface-us-mahatma-gandhi-statue-embassy-protests-2337936
  4. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/khalistanis-target-gandhi-statue-in-washington-dc/story-zmuDrN3HQfZqNvCveHZ7kL.html
  5. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/mahatma-gandhi-s-statue-vandalised-by-khalistan-supporters-in-us-1749067-2020-12-13

Multiple RS available, IMO this should be mentioned in the article. -- Eatcha 05:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

We just decided Republic TV was unreliable, Republic World is their website [1] so that is probably not an RS. Hindustan Times and NDTV both have positive MB/FCs so they are probably RSes. As an outside observer looking in, this seems like a strange move on the basis of what I know about Sikhs, Gandhi, the farmer's protests, and the anti-Modi protestors but of all the things I am, an expert in India is not one of them. Any reports in US/Washington news? ~ El D. (talk to me) 17:02, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
checkY It's been added to the article by someone else. 45.251.33.78 (talk) 05:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Any reports in US/Washington news about this?US media didn't post anything about it, it has been posted by only Indian newspapers, why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.55.202.196 (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


Title

It seems to me that "2020 Indian farmers' protests" would be the optimal title for this article. If I'm reading it correctly, the subject of the article is a multitude of protests, taking place across many locations nationwide. Anyone else have an opinion on this matter? Joefromrandb (talk) 06:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

It is so.SenatorLEVI (talk) 06:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Article Tag

I feel like the article does reflect the encyclopedic tone of Wikipedia. There was the Politics section, which was disputed. But most of the opinionated and unreferenced information was removed. I think we should remove the tag.SenatorLEVI (talk) 07:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

The "tone" tag is for articles written like op-ed pieces or advertisements. So even if there was/is an npov issue or something similar from which the article suffers (I take no position either way as far as that goes), the "tone" tag is not appropriate here. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:33, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
I will remove it in a while if no one else objects.[[User:SenatorLEf

VI|SenatorLEVI]] (talk) 06:15, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done—I probably should have mentioned it my original response that I had already removed the tag; it was so clearly erroneous that I saw little, if any, benefit to be had by waiting. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
I suppose so, I typed this a day ago so its enough. Thanks a lot.SenatorLEVI (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Attempts by Indian elected officials to spread misinformation - citation does not mention what is written

I have removed the following sentence:

There have been attempts by Indian elected officials to spread misinformation about foreign politicians such as former US President Barack Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, alleging that they are funding and provoking "extremists who support the protests".[1]

References

  1. ^ Pahwa, Nitish (2020-12-09). "What's Driving the Biggest Protest in World History?". Slate Magazine. Retrieved 2020-12-15.

The source does not appear to support what is written. Information in quotation marks must be supported by a citation.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:34, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes the website doesn't mention any such events, it only states that Indian officials have asked the Canadian Government not to interfere.SenatorLEVI (talk) 06:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

The causes of protest

  • 1. Bill does not allow the farmer to approach the court. If there is a dispute, SDM will decide. If the decision is not acceptable then the farmer must approach the Joint Secretary of central govt.
  • a. Imagine 2-acre farmer putting a fight with Corporations with legal departments in front of SDM
  • OR traveling to Delhi to approach Joint Secretary
  • 2. Buyer will draw a contract and if a farmer cannot meet the agreement then SDM can impose fine
  • up to 5 lacs.
  • a. Imagine farmer reading/negotiating Airtel or Jio contracts.
  • b. How many of us were successful in getting these service providers a promised speed?
  • c. Chips maker had a contract with potato farmers in Punjab and later it rejected potatoes on the ground that potatoes are not of same shape or size. Remember potatoes grow in soil and are not
  • manufactured in the cast.
  • 3. Bill waives tax (Punjab 8.5 and Haryana 6%) collected by Mandi boards from private buyers.
  • a. This removes competition for private players from Mandi boards.
  • b. This revenue is collected from central agencies to build rural area infrastructure. Who will now fill that tax hole?
  • 4. MSP is there ; but Bill does not guarantee MSP or mentions it
  • a. Allows private players to buy farm produce at lower price
  • 5. BILL removes essential commodity act
  • a. Allow hoardings and raise price for food items.
  • 6. Bill supporters claim that it removes the middleman (Arthiya).
  • a. But Bill introduces now bigger sharks removing small fish.
  • b. Arthiya works on a 1-2% service fee
  • c. He facilitates purchase from buyer bases on service fee like any other dealership or service provider.
  • d. There is no mark up in the purchase price
  • 7. The crop being a 6-month cycle, Arthiya is like atm to farmer providing credit for 6 months cycle for purchases of inputs.
  • a. Now with Arthiya being removed who will provide credit
  • b. Where does farmer go for money to buy farm inputs and his daily needs
  • c. Bill or Government has not created alternative for this
  • 8. Why protests are limited to Punjab and Haryana
  • a. Farming is a state subject. States like Bihar had removed APMC in 2006 leaving only private players.
  • b. Punjab and Haryana have developed Mandi system over the years where any produce brought into Mandis cannot be purchased below MSP.
  • c. Crops like Rice are sold in states like Bihar at price below the MSP.
  • d. Farmers from neighbouring states sell their produce at MSP in Punjab or Haryana as these states have better Mandi system which offer MSP
  • e. On ground Haryana BJP govt has stopped farmers from other states to sell their crops in Haryana which itself is stand opposite to Central Govts new Bill.

8 Dec 2020 ... They have also decided to continue with planned protests across the country on Saturday. THE TIMES OF INDIA (Readers comment) Bschandrasgr (talk) 09:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Background - suicide

Hi, the suicide of farmers as background seems unnecessary and reads as if it is original research. If this is being touted as a background 'cause' it should have better sources to reflect and support that position. Currently there is nothing to suggest it is related. I suggest removing this section unless somebody has a different view. Hollth (talk) 22:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Lack of Cited sources and referances

Removed a line that stated that the government ordered the police to attack the protestors with rocks. I can find no reliable reference to this. While the order was given to use Teargas and Water Canons which is common, Rock attacks are generally not part of any standard procedures. [Edit: Corrected spelling]

farmer demand to release riots accused

farmer demand to release riots accused has been confirmed by RS cited quoted N K Jeet president of farmer union 45.124.142.19 (talk) 15:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Provide sources for the same and then, it can be added.

FlyingNinja1 (talk) 14:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2020

Please modify the picture of the farmers' protest article given in the link: [1]

This picture is not representative of the farmer's protest and is very controversial as several people are holding placards for the release of activists who are booked under law. We used this picture from wikipedia without the above knowledge, in a townhall presentation in Northeastern University, USA and some people raised objections on the pictures and pointed out that this left leaning ideology. We learnt about this picture and Ugrahan group display on Human rights Day [2]when this picture was clicked and taken and was very controversial after that.

The protest is apolitical and should not be tagged as left-leaning from a wikipedia page. Please modify the picture to have a more apolitical view and as well others may not take the protest in a political way. I suggest you use this picture in another section highlighting some demands made by Ugrahan group which is part of the protest.

Thanks Jpsnir91 (talk) 20:16, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Indian_farmers%27_protest#/media/File:2020_Indian_farmers'_protest_-_Art,_pen_and_people.jpg
  2. ^ https://thewire.in/rights/watch-farmers-protest-rights-activists-support
 Not done for now: Please cite a Wikipedia policy for why you think this image should be removed. Sam Sailor 20:33, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Sam Sailor, I think they are right, this picture doesn't portray farmers protest. This is actually picture of the International human rights day [2] which one farmer union observed while they were there for protest. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 01:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Agree. The picture shall be removed as it display release of the the rioters accused in 2020 Delhi Riots, Which is in no way related to the farmers protest.DavidWood11 (talk) 05:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
I've changed the image to a different (hopefully better) one. Feel free to revert if you disagree. Zoozaz1 talk 05:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2020

This information about talks between the Farmer unions and the Government yesterday needs to be incorporated now.

 Added ‐‐1997kB (talk) 11:25, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected Edit Request

Can someone either:

  • Replace the Indian National Congress (INC) and the Communist Party of India (Marxist) (CPI(M))'s party flags in the infobox with their respective black-and-white election symbols to match the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) being represented by its election logo?

Or

  • Replace the BJP's election symbol in the infobox with their party flag to match the INC and CPI being represented by their flags?

I prefer the first option as it means that the election symbols will be equally prominent. 45.251.33.84 (talk) 10:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Replaced BJP's election symbol with their flag. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 11:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Please do not restore badly sourced content (WP:NOTADVOCACY, WP:NOTDEMOCRACY)

Jnanaskanda, please do not restore content that is badly sourced or even worse unreferenced. This is not the place to promote a cause, this is not the place for advocacy, and this is not a democracy. (WP:NOTADVOCACY, WP:NOTDEMOCRACY, WP:BATTLEGROUND). DTM (talk) 08:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2021 (2)

In music and popular media please add the following line, after 7 existing entries...

 Done Verified and added. TimSmit (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2021

This also needs to be incorporated now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5601:B68A:0:0:61F:F8A5 (talk) 14:45, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable source. Do you have anything better? I couldn't find anything to verify this. Naushervan (talk) 15:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
This shows the unions supporting the new pro-farmer laws (which other unions are protesting against) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5601:B68A:0:0:61F:F8A5 (talk) 17:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2021

This shows the PM wants a resolution. Please use this source

Utilised it wherever necessary. SenatorLEVI 07:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
SenatorLEVI, please add the second of the sentences you just added to the lead also. Thanks
Hello, please specify which sentences you think are necessary. I have added information from the source you have mentioned depending on its notability. If there is something I didn't add it is probably because I didn't find it essential. Feel free to state it if you think I have missed out on something. SenatorLEVI 11:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2021

I suggest adding the following content to the "6. Response and reactions-6.3 Academics" in order to present more materials to readers:

Kaushik Basu, former chief economist at the World Bank, supports the cause of the peasants, against the position of Arvind Panagariya, former Chief Economist at the Asian Development Bank.[1] Hansong Li, a Chinese scholar at Harvard University, argues that although India's farm reforms bear resemblance to China's own market-oriented agricultural reforms, India lacks the risk-mitigation mechanisms in the Chinese context, and that the overall crisis has shown a lack of public trust and cohesion in India.[2] Quintilianinsta (talk) 16:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done-Quintilianinsta. SenatorLEVI 02:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ TOI (2020-12-18). "Farm Laws: 3 Experts, 2 Opinions". Times of India. Times of India. Retrieved 12 January 2021.
  2. ^ Li, Hansong (2021-01-12). "2020︱动荡一年中的三个历史片段". The Paper (澎湃). The Paper (澎湃). Retrieved 12 January 2021.

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2021 (2)

i want request because i have very important info about the indian farmers from 2020 to 2021 63.135.19.122 (talk) 19:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done It's not clear what changes you want made. Please make your request in the form of "change x to y". And also please provide citations for any changes you want made. Thanks! Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 19:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2021

Please add, the supreme court appointed committee was rejected by farmers because the appointees are not impartial as they have publicly supported the farm laws. The article is biased and makes it look like the farmers rejected it for no reason.

See the links. https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/farm-laws-supreme-court-committee-farmers-protests-members-support-implementation--168582 https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/farmers-protests-plea-reconstitute-supreme-court-committee-retired-supreme-court-judges-representatives-farmer-unions 103.217.235.84 (talk) 14:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. NJD-DE (talk) 17:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

A new Section regarding all the talks between Government and Farmers

Till Date there have been 11 rounds of talks between the government and unions. There should be a section regarding all these talks even if they are a single bullet points for each. In the most recent talk government proposed to suspend The laws in question for 18 months alongside appointing a joint committee to further resolve the deadlock which was rejected. Like this a summarization of each talk can be compiled in this section. Freeroamer90 (talk) 15:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing Fatalities Section

The fatalities section overview should be in chronological order. The existing "On 8 January 2021, the week following the onset of winter rains, death toll of farmers including death by suicide during farmer's satyagraha, according to leaders of the farmer's movement, had crossed 120. On 2 January 2021, the estimate of dead-farmers was 57. On 20 December 2020, the day the farmer's collectively condoled the deaths of farmers, the death toll was 41. On 30 December 2020, it was over 50." should be changed to "On 20 December 2020, the day the farmer's collectively condoled the deaths of farmers, the death toll was 41. On 30 December 2020, it was over 50. On 2 January 2021, the estimate of dead-farmers was 57. On 8 January 2021, the week following the onset of winter rains, death toll of farmers including death by suicide during farmer's satyagraha, according to leaders of the farmer's movement, had crossed 120." Freeroamer90 (talk) 17:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Misquotation from Scroll.in article in the Response and reactions section

Under the Incidents of fake news sub-section, the sentence that presently reads, 'A protester told Scroll.in that "The Modi media is calling us Khalistanis [...] We have been sitting peacefully for one month, however recently violent. That make us terrorists."' is a misquotation from the original article. It should be changed to: 'A protester told Scroll.in that "The Modi media is calling us Khalistanis [...] We have been sitting peacefully for two months. That makes us terrorists?"' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epictitus (talk • contribs) 21:01, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Epictitus, Thank you for noticing that and bringing it to attention here. I have made the corrections on the page. Tayi Arajakate Talk 00:51, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Fake news regarding the farmer protests

The article states that there has been fake news posted by the government and the ruling party BJP but there are also fake news posted in different mediums by the opposition parties and the protesting farmer unions. it also must be noted that majority more than 90% of these farmers are from Punjab and Haryana. The article posted on wiki looks like that all the 28 states and 8 Union Territories are protesting represent the whole of India but in reality it's false. This article is very much biased. This thing must be made unbiased and neutral. Debjyoti Gorai 10:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Please state which changes you feel must be made. SenatorLEVI 05:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


Boycott Fake News; Boycott the Google; boycott facebook; Boycott Twitter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.134.144 (talk) 19:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

what about fox & friends, and CNN? —usernamekiran (talk) 05:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Republic Day

Looks like there are a number of reliable sources reporting on the renewed protests ongoing, e.g. Reuters, Associated Press. Any takers on updating the article with the most recent developments? Not quite sure where it would go, a 1-liner in the current timeline section seems insufficient. The article may need a bit of restructuring to expand on the details of what is actually happening. - Indefensible (talk) 06:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Indefensible, Please include these reliable sources on 2021 Farmers' Republic day parade. Walrus Ji (talk) 13:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

"However, farmer leaders pointed to the union government's conspiracy by citing the present of actor Deep Sidhu at the Red Fort. He is a Bharatiya Janata Party associate and was the election manager for actor-politician Sunny Deol when he contested on a BJP ticket from Gurdaspur in the 2019 Lok Sabha election. Deep Sidhu was candidly doing Facebook Live from Red Fort"

Such biased, opinionated statements are not expected in an encyclopedia. This section is much better written about the same subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.51.59.82 (talk) 11:54, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Please state changes you feel must be made. This section that you pointed is out is backed by RSes. The wording is paraphrased and is not incorrect or opinionated. Several sources have covered the storming of the Red Fort in a similar degree of detail and nature. If you feel anything is biased please back it up with RSes and provide a replacement, better yet you could edit it yourself. SenatorLEVI 06:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Following 2 changes need to be updated in this section:
1. As a mark of protest against the violence and siege on Red Fort Bharatiya Kisan Union (Bhanu) and All India Kisan Sangharsh Coordination Committee has declared to quit from agitation. Reference: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/two-farmer-unions-withdraw-from-agitation-against-farm-laws-citing-republic-day-violence/article33676668.ece
2. More than 300 cops were injured in the violence created by protesters using batons and sharp weapons. [1][2][3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.56.104.108 (talk) 11:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Punjab Chief Minister Captain Amarinder Singh condemned the violence.[4] Pawar said that he does not support the violence that took place during the farmers' protest in Delhi but noted that the Centre should realise that why the chaos erupted during the tractor parade in Delhi.[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:211D:68B7:0:0:23E1:F0A5 (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/86-cops-injured-4-cases-filed-over-tractor-rally-violence-say-police-2358510
  2. ^ https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/farmers-tractor-rally-violence-injured-cops-red-fort-duty-narrate-republic-day-ordeal-1763341-2021-01-27
  3. ^ https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/republic-day-violence-amit-shah-to-visit-injured-police-officers-today-101611809672519.html
  4. ^ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/capt-amarinder-on-delhi-clashes-shocking-violence-by-some-elements-unacceptable-7162623/
  5. ^ https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-farmers-were-agitating-with-restraint-but-centre-didn-t-solve-their-problems-ncp-chief-sharad-pawar-2870907

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2021

Please add a link from this article to the 2021 Farmers' Republic day parade article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:211D:68B7:0:0:23E1:F0A5 (talk • contribs)

Where do you want to add the link? I can see that the link you want to include has already been added. Please see the section named 2020–2021_Indian_farmers'_protest#Parade --Walrus Ji (talk) 16:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 25 January 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 01:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest → 2020–2021 Indian farmers protest – Apostrophe (') is not need in this page because it is too ungrammatical and due to fact that some source calls it farmers protest (without apostrophe) such as Hindustan Times instead farmers' protest. Another option would be 2020–21 Indian farmers' protest (with apostrophe) or 2020–21 Indian farmers protest (without apostrophe). 110.137.190.132 (talk) 01:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - per nom 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 18:41, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - not particularly controversial. Albertaont (talk) 01:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - not required. SenatorLEVI 04:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • oppose the statement Apostrophe (') is not need in this page because it is too ungrammatical is itself ungrammatical. Like the nomination says, some sources use it without the apostrophe, that means some use it with apostrophe. "Farmers protest" would be ambiguous: by farmers? For farmers? Or against farmers? Current title is appropriate. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Usernamekiran summed it up nicely. Without apostrophe will be too ambiguous and year–year is per MOS:YEARRANGE. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 07:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose' The current version is grammatically correct. HT may have bad grammar, but that is not enough reason for us to abandon grammar. Walrus Ji (talk) 09:28, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose- Self explanatory. Hindustan Times isn't reliable. I've read in the past how they've tried to minimise the AIDS/HIV virus spread in India. UserHerName (talk) 10:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Current title makes it clear that it is a protest by farmers, not against farmers. Glenniebrother (talk) 23:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose If HT makes an error wiki need not follow its path. Accesscrawl (talk) 04:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Update

As per latest update more Farmers' protest have been more active in Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Bihar and South Indian states. This surge of farmers 'protest in Hindi speaking states have shake the Government of India — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adsrajpoot (talk • contribs) 09:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

You are right but please provide the line that you want to add along with a source for it. Walrus Ji (talk) 10:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Should we add Youtube links to the songs mentioned in the "In music and popular media" section

e.g. [3] (or a better version) for Sunn Dilliye, the first song mentioned. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Paragraph "insistence on repealing the farm laws", last sentence unclear and/or wrong.

".. have also made statements in relation to staying the farm laws." I'm not sure what the writer means, but probably this isn't correct way to say it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.112.250.249 (talk) 15:54, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Misleading statement: Indian Government ordered to attack?

Introduction page falsely state that "Indian government asked to attack the farmers.....". Various news articles are there to verify that state government of Haryana used water canons and boulders to stop farmers from entering Delhi so as not to create mayhem. Sentence should be modified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.162.62 (talk) 10:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February, 2021

Please add matter from here that the farm laws have been suspended: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/government-proposal-on-farm-laws-suspension-stands-pm-modi/article33702794.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:230F:2FCA:0:0:C6E:F8A4 (talk) 18:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done
  1. There is already mention of the suspension of the farm laws by the Supreme Court, in the Supreme Court of India litigation section.
  2. The newspaper link above, does not say that the farm laws are suspended, only that the "government’s proposal of suspending the implementation of three farm laws, ... , still stood". -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:11, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected Edit Request

Can someone either:

  • Replace the anti-Farm Laws political parties’ election symbols in the infobox with their respective party flags to match the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) being represented by its party flag?

Or

  • Replace the BJP's party flag in the infobox with their black-and-white election symbol to match the anti-Farm Laws political parties’ being represented by their election symbols?

45.251.33.2 (talk) 05:20, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello? Anyone? 45.251.33.222 (talk) 05:43, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 Not done The file of the black and white BJP's symbol File:BJP election symbol.svg -783x768.png is under consideration for deletion, and hence probably should not be used. On the other hand, we may not have color symbols of all the anti-farm law parties on commons.wikimedia or wikipedia. I'm marking this as answered, for now. If you can find (and link) all the relevant party flags here, please reopen this request -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February, 2021

Please add that the Republic day mahyem was to cause an Arab spring style anarchy in India using this.

Someone please answer the above few Semi-protected edit requests also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5227:4403:0:0:4D8:D0AD (talk) 20:33, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
The link clearly states it is an opinion piece. Vikram Vincent 20:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Vincentvikram, what about this. SenatorLEVI, Usernamekiran, buidhe, 1997kB, Walrus Ji, UserHerName, Accesscrawl, Vincentvikram, Please make time and go through all the edit requests above and add them or give a reason for not being eligible to be incorporated into this article
The defencenews article is sourced from news18 where it is in the Opinion section. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 Not done Opinion. No WP:RS. - The9Man (Talk) 09:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 February 2021

I want to make an edit in this article regarding the protest tool kit Indianmason (talk) 07:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done The request must be of the form "please change X to Y". - The9Man (Talk) 09:57, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 February 2021 (2)

Please add number of farmers which is more than 250 million. Here is reference source - https://www.businessinsider.com/indian-farmer-strike-largest-protest-history-us-world-pay-attention-2020-12 2402:8100:2177:DE83:0:0:4227:6808 (talk) 08:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done There is already a line in the top section about 250 million people being involved in the strike on 26 Nov 2020. Also, this Business-Insider link doesn't make it obvious when the 250 million was reached. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:57, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 February 2021 (4)

The Delhi police is trying to trace the instigators of the violence through Google according to this. Please add it to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5227:4403:0:0:4D8:D0AD (talk) 22:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done - the police has only asked Google for assistance. If and when Google assists the Delhi Police, we can add the information if it is considered a major event in the protests. 45.251.33.78 (talk) 09:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 February 2021 (3)

The desire for higher MSP from farmers has been a long-standing one and was denied by the government of India, even as they were willing to write off loans for farmers as an election sop. See source: https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/why-cant-the-government-provide-a-higher-income-for-farmers/article19498056.ece

(This information can be included in the background to the current protest, which is also to demand fair MSP from the government, that the new laws are trying to dismantle.) Vvt153 (talk) 13:15, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 February 2021

Protesting farmers have bypassed Delhi according to this. Is it worth adding to this article?

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. In addition, please sign your comments. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Background

I think the Background is providing random tidbits without much relevance to the topic. One of the main demands of the protestors is the continuation of the Minimum Support Price. This would be worth talking about. The Mandi system is also at issue. Does the Mandi system exist all over India or only in Punjab? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Mandis are pan-India. Agricultural produce market committee. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
I am not so sure. That page says that it is left for the states to regulate it, and only five states are listed. There is also no mention of how effectively the Mandis have been enforced except to say that certain laws have been passed. Personally, I only heard of the powerful grip of mandis in Panjab and Haryana, and not in any other states. The protesting farmers are definitely pro-mandi. They like their mandis and are afraid of losing them. So I think this needs to be better understood. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The Indian Express said it [4]

This also explains why the protests have mostly been concentrated in Punjab and Haryana. The arhatiya system is more influential in these two states than in other states, agriculture experts said.

So the Mandis are working well only in these two states (and may be some parts of UP), and so these farmers want to preserve it. The other states don't have decent mandis and their farmers apparently don't care. This seems to be a well-kept secret. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

There is also a lot of mysticism about the so-called "Minimum Support Price". This misleading terminology gives one the impression that the government attempts to maintain a certain minimum price for a commodity. This editorial from the Economic and Political Weekly (no less) makes it clear that it is the minimum price at which the Government will buy if it will buy. The editorial also notes that the government granaries are already overflowing. So there is little chance that the government will be able to exercise this price. Without it being able to exercise, setting the MSP achieves absolutely nothing! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:34, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I have also seen it said that the government also buys only from certain states. Panjab and Haryana are always there. But rice is also acquired in AP and some other states. Apparently nothing was ever acquired from Bengal. So, once again, this may be an issue that exercises the Punjabi and Haryanvi farmers but not others. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 February 2021

Change

"The Shetkari Sanghatana, a farmers' union in Maharashtra supports the bills..."

to

"The Shetkari Sanghatana, a farmers' union in Maharashtra, supports the bills..."

There should be a comma after the non-restrictive relative clause. Hb2007 (talk) 15:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Review

  • Coverage of related Parliamentary discussions and speeches of Agri minister and Prime minister looks absent or inadequate.
  • Encyclopedic touch needs to be improved presently looks like more of like a news report based on news reports.
  • Introductory (Lead) paras are too long may be some of that info shifted to sections and lead may be made more representative of sections with improvement in balance.

Bookku (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 6 February 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 16:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)


2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest → 2020–2021 Indian farmer unions' protest – This protest is by Farmer unions and the middlemen ("dalaal" in Hindi) because the new Farm laws allow the Farmers to sell anywhere by by-passing them. The article does say so if we read carefully, so should we not change the name of this article? 2405:204:5227:4403:0:0:4D8:D0AD (talk) 15:16, 6 February 2021 (UTC) This protest is by Farmer unions and the middlemen ("dalaal" in Hindi). The article does say so if we read carefully, so should we not change the name of this article from "2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest" to "2020–2021 Indian farmer unions' protest"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5227:4403:0:0:4D8:D0AD (talk) 15:09, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - per nom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5227:4403:0:0:4D8:D0AD (talk) 15:18, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - not required, completely unnecessary. Almost every kind of protest is always supported by various groups/unions. That doesn't mean it is a protest by those "unions", but the people (in this case, farmers) involved in those unions. By the way, your intention to make this change seems to be to portray these protests as not enjoying singnificant support among farmers, which they obviously do.
  • Oppose - The unions initiated the protests, and the farmers joined the protests; then it's become the farmers' protest. STSC (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - This is a protest by some farmer unions and not all farmers in India. The farmers who are taking part in this protest are majorly from Punjab, Haryana and Western Uttar Pradesh. There are other major agrarian states in India, such as Maharashtra, Andhra, Telangana and Tamilnadu. But, no visible and/or significant protest can be seen from farmers of these states. Moreover, support or opposition for these protests have become more political or caste/religion-based, which is very unfortunate. While the farmer unions from Punjab are using the Sikh identity to garner support, Rakesh Tikait of BKU is using the Jat caste identity. Bsskchaitanya (talk) 14:04, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
    Comment A cursory search shows news reports of protests in all the States you mentioned. The sizes do vary over time and place. Further, Karnataka, which you have not mentioned also had protests. Vikram Vincent 07:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I understand the point, but we have to go by the terminology used in WP:RS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:13, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not required. SenatorLEVI 15:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose: per RS it is a farmers' issues where the farmers are protesting and have organised via unions. Vikram Vincent 07:02, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Weird logic used to the proposal. Multiple WP:RS in the article mention it as a farmer's protest. - The9Man (Talk) 08:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose: I don't see any reason why this should be labelled only a farmer union's protest. There are no indications that it is only unions protesting. Tanyasingh (talk) 10:12, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Granted, many of the protests may be organized by the farmer's unions, but you need to understand that it is not one contiguous protest, but rather a collection of smaller protests. Some are organized by the unions, some are not, but even the ones organized by the unions have non-union members, and vise-versa. JazzClam (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Addition of Songs to "In music and popular media" section

Hello,

I would like to request the addition of the following songs to the section titled "In Music and Popular Media". I believe that music is becoming an extremely unique part of this protest, and the immense quantity of music being produced is something that deserves documentation.

The list of songs is growing by the day, but below is a list of songs in alphabetical order. These songs have either gained at least a few hundred thousand views on YouTube or were sung by influential singers. In addition, all of these songs were released in 2020/2021. These songs were made for the protest, in response to something that happened in the protest, or gained popularity during the protest.

The list is as follows:

“21 Vi Sdi” by Ranjit Bawa

“Ailan" by Kanwar Grewal

“Asi Fer Aa Gye” by Lakhi Ghumaan, Gaggi Dhillon

“Asi Vaddange" by Himmat Sandhu

“Bagawatan” by Jazzy B

“Chup Karja Delhiye” by G Sandhu

“Danda Vs Khanda” by Inder Atwal

“Delhi Morcha” by Jatinder Bhullar

“Delhi Nu” by Pavvy Virk

“Delhi to Punjab” by Gurlej Akhtar, Bachan Bedil

“Delhi-A" by R Nait

“Eh Punjab Aa Punjab” by Sajjan Adeeb

“Eka" by Harbhajan Mann

“Haq" by Harbhajan Mann

“Itihas” by Nirvair Pannu

“Jaggo” by Kulbir Jhinjer

“Jatt Vs Delhi” by Garry Bawa

“Jatta Takda Hoja" by Jass Bajwa

“Jawani Zindabad" by Kanwar Grewal

“Kirsaan” by AP Dhillon, Gurinder Gill

“Kisaan Anthem" by Shree Brar

“Kisaan Anthem” by Mankirt Aulakh, Nishawn Bhullar, Jass Bajwa, Jordan Sandhu, Fazilpuria, Dilpreet Dhillon, Dj Flow, Shree Brar, Afsana Khan, Bobby Sandhu

“Kisaan VS Delhi” by Ninja

“Kisan Parade” by Jazzy B

“Kissan Vs Delhi” by Ajay Hooda

“Le Sun Kangana” by Harsimran

“Lehar Kisani Di" by Harbhajan Mann

“Panjab” by Sidhu Moose Wala

“Pecha" by Harf Cheema, Kanwar Grewal

“Pecha” by Kanwar Grewal

“Proud To Be A Farmer” by Kanwar Grewal, Rajvir Jawanda, Kamal Khan, KV Singh

“Punjab Bolda” by Ranjit Bawa

“Punjab Kithe Dabda” Arjan Dhillon

“Punjab” by Shahzad Sidhu, Waqar Bhinder, AR Wattoo, Ijaz Ghoug, Mansoor Ahmad

“RiRi” by Diljit Dosanjh

“Sawa Lakh Dilliye” by Nirvair Pannu

“Sun Dilliye” by Rajvir Jawanda

“Sun Sarkare” by AKM Singh

“Sunn Dilliye" by Damanjot

“Teer Punjab Ton” by Jazzy B

“Zaalam Sarkaran” by Gippy Grewal

“Zimidaar” by Jazzy B

“Zindabaad” by Rajvir Jawanda

“Zindabad” by Akash Gill

2604:3D08:4E82:1200:29E4:807C:FAAC:69C6 (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

It would be better with some sources. SenatorLEVI 09:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Requests to make the following edits

1) In the first paragraph, the line "Farmer leaders have rejected a Supreme Court of India stay order on the implementation of the farm laws as well as the involvement of a Supreme Court appointed committee." is misleading. Instead, it Should be: Farmer leaders have welcomed a Supreme Court of India stay order on the implementation of the farm laws, but have rejected to appear before a Supreme Court-appointed committee as all members of the committee have already publicly supported the farm laws.

2) In the same paragraph, the line "On 3 February, farmer leaders warned of escalating the protest to overthrowing the government if the farm laws were not repealed." is odd. Out of all that over 40 farmer leaders have said in over 100 days of protests, why is this single rhetorical statement by a single leader stated in the first paragraph itself? If such single statements are to be included in first para, why not include how Union Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad dishonestly disparaged farmers by calling them "Tukde tukde gang" without any evidence? Or how Union minister Piyush Goyal called farmers "Maoists" without any evidence? So, I request that this sentence be removed as such individual statements do not add any value to the discussion in the introductory paragraph itself.

3) In the third paragraph, the line "The Indian government ordered the police and law enforcement of various states to attack the protesters using water cannons, batons, and tear gas to prevent the farmer unions from entering into Haryana first and then Delhi." has no citations. This and this can be added.

4) In this section of the page, regarding death of Navreet Singh, citation no. 191 to The Wire is broken. Please add this article from the same author, and this detailed report by the Caravan magazine.

Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:5801:D0A4:94D1:B528:8CDE:4FCE (talk) 09:48, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Modified sentence related to point 1. Vikram 10:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January, 2021

Moved back from the archives since this was apparently unanswered. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Please copy the sentences, "As of 28 January, the Delhi Police stated that it has filed various criminal cases on the incidents of violence and arrested several people.[16] More than 300 cops were injured in the violence by protesters who used batons and sharp weapons.[17] The violence and hoisting of a religious flag on the ramparts of the Red Fort made the Bharatiya Kisan Union (Bhanu) and All India Kisan Sangharsh Co-ordination Committee decide to quit from the farmers' protest.[18] Sharad Pawar, the leader of the Nationalist Congress Party said that he does not support the violence that took place during the farmers' protest in Delhi.[19] The Chief Minister of Punjab, Captain Amarinder Singh also condemned the violence.[20]", along with the sources used from the lead of the article titled, "2021 Farmers' Republic Day parade" to this article under the section named 2020–2021_Indian_farmers'_protest#Parade.

Please add the link to the Nationalist Congress Party in your edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:230F:2FCA:5C70:2A58:98B5:A68B (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 Done – robertsky (talk) 18:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Robertsky, the sentences are not in the article!-
 Done KyloRen3 (talk) 06:10, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April, 2021

The Food Corporation of India has decided to transfer payments for crops directly to farmers according to this. Please add the same to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:2181:368::15e1:78a4 (talk) 2021-04-03T09:06:08 (UTC)

Kautilya3, nobody has added the above, so please do it.
KyloRen3, nobody has added the above, so please do it.
  •  Not doneThat is a complicated process the FCI proposes to do. I'm not sure that one-liner covers it. VV 15:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

Reduce the no. of photo in the gallery section per WP:NOTGALLERY, perhaps six photos at most. If readers want to look at more photo, please go to Wikimedia Commons, thanks 137.189.204.59 (talk) 07:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Request adding information based on insights in Foreign Policy article

The information in this well researched article published in Foreign Policy needs to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.0.198.255 (talk) 00:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

  •  Not done The source appears to be an opinion piece rather than WP:RS. Plus, it is not clear what specific point needs to be added. VV 12:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 April 2021

The Food Corporation of india has started transferring the Minimum Support price directly to the account of farmers according to this - please add it to the article.

That one liner does not capture the content in the link. It in fact is misleading. VV 05:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Vincentvikram, you can add whatever sentence/s you want but I think it is an important thing (direct transfer of msp). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:D01:EC48:CBA9:A6A2:1234:59C0 (talk) 05:34, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
@Joshua Jonathan, Walrus Ji, RegentsPark, Kautilya3, LearnIndology, Zlurhs, Arcticfox10, Arimaboss, Possibly, Levixius, and TrangaBellam: may also reply.
How is this related to Indian farmers' protest? Under what section would this come under? VV 05:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Vincentvikram, you can add that sentence to the lead just after these sentences, "The farmers have also demanded the creation of an Minimum Support Price (MSP) bill, to ensure that corporates cannot control the prices. The government, however, maintains that the laws will make it effortless for farmers to sell their produce directly to big buyers, and stated that the protests are based on misinformation"
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:33, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, but I do not see the direct link between the demands of the farmers related to rolling back the Acts and the FCI offer. VV 10:00, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 April 2021

"Please remove Suicide as a method from this page, it is not correct and also very disturbing" Ajaysodhi70 (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please see WP:NOTCENSORED. Deauthorized. (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 April 2021 (2)

Prabhdeep77 (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

As of 9 January 2021, the death toll of farmers by suicide to protest the government's farm policy was five. Sant Baba Ram Singh, a Sikh priest, shot himself on 16 December 2020 at the Singhu border in protest against the farm laws.[205][206] According to J.S. Randhawa, Senior Superintendent of Police, Sonepat, Haryana, Ram Singh, Left behind a 10-page note, dated 14 December, and a handwritten suicide letter, dated 16 December 2020, in which he wrote that he could not bear the pain of the farmers. At his funeral on 18 December, in Karnal, attended by farmer leaders, religious heads, and Shiromani Gurudwara Parbandhak Committee chief Bibi Jagir Kaur, the suicide letter was read out, which said, "Bullets fired from the guns kill only those whom they strike. The bullet of injustice, however, kills many with a single stroke… It is humiliating to suffer injustice."[207]

On 18 December, according to Joginder Singh Jawanda, BKU (Ugrahan) leader, a heavily indebted 22-year-old Punjab farmer, killed himself with poison in his village after returning from Singhu, the protest site on the Delhi border.[181]

On 27 December, Amarjit Singh Rai, a lawyer, committed suicide by taking poison. Rai before he took his life wrote in a note that he was "sacrificing his life" in support of farmer's protest, and urged Prime Minister Narendra Modi to "listen to the voice of the people".[208]

2 January 2021, Kashmir Singh Ladi, 75-year-old farmer from Bilaspur, Rampur district, Uttar Pradesh (UP), committed suicide. He was the fourth farmer suicide since the farm protesters were stopped on 26 November 2020, by UP Police on Delhi-UP Ghazipur Border, also called UP gate. Kashmir Singh who had been camping at the border since 28 November along with his son, and grandson, hanged himself in a toilet. Ladi, according to a government official, left a note in Punjabi, that says, "Till when shall we sit here in the cold? This government isn't listening at all. Hence, I give up my life so that some solution emerges."[183]

On 9 January 2021, it was reported that Amrinder Singh, a 40-year-old Punjabi farmer, had killed himself by swallowing Aluminium phosphide tablets at the Singhu border. The man had been depressed at the state of the negotiations and had downed the tablets at a stage set up for protesters to speak, whereupon he was rushed to the hospital, but they were unable to resuscitate him.[2

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deauthorized. (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 April 2021 (3)

Reference 201 (Ismat, Ara (2021-02-01). "Bullet or Accident: How Did Farm Law Protester Navreet Singh Die?". The Wire. Retrieved 2021-02-01.) is broken and should be removed. Kkiddu (talk) 21:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've fixed the citation. Deauthorized. (talk) 21:39, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 April 2021

Remove suicide as method of protest. This is wrong. 2601:245:4280:F00:842F:FBF9:E427:C4C3 (talk) 03:17, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Asartea Talk | Contribs 08:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
This edit was already requested before and denied. VV 08:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 April 2021 (4)

Paragrah 2 of Section 5.3 may be neutrally rewritten as:

Navreet Singh's family members have alleged that Navreet was shot at by Delhi Police [1]. In response, a video showing the tractor toppling has been made available by the police [2]. Journalists and politicians who reported these allegations were charged under multiple sections for "disrupting communal harmony" and "promoting misinformation" [3][4], including Siddharth Varadarajan, Mrinal Pande, Rajdeep Sardesai, Vinod Jose, Zafar Agha, Paresh Nath and Anant Nath, and Shashi Tharoor.

[1] https://theprint.in/india/another-up-fir-against-journalist-the-wires-varadarajan-under-probe-for-farmer-death-tweet/595732/

[2] https://theprint.in/india/not-shot-but-crushed-by-tractor-post-mortem-on-farmer-who-died-in-delhi-protests-reveals/593499/

[3] https://theprint.in/india/another-up-fir-against-journalist-the-wires-varadarajan-under-probe-for-farmer-death-tweet/595732/

[4] https://theprint.in/india/mp-police-files-fir-against-tharoor-sardesai-5-other-journalists-for-their-tweets/594742/

(Justification: this frames an allegation in an appropriate context, and also fixes the factual error re: the charges applied to the persons in question - the charges dealt with communal harmony, promoting enmity etc, instead of sedition as the paragraph currently states. This request may please be read with my previous request for removal of Ref 201, which points to a report that has since been taken down.)

Kkiddu (talk) 22:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC) Kkiddu (talk) 22:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This is already pretty much what is in the article. The only bit that isn't is the sentence about a video showing the toppling; but we're not required to list every detail about the event; we only need to provide a summary; so I don't think that sentence is particularly relevant - it is already clear from the text that the only ones who support this allegation are the family members (journalists reporting on it is a different thing). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the response.

1. The nature of the charges is a factual error that warrants fixing. Sedition is Section 124A of the Indian Penal Code, while the charges levied are under sections 153A, 502, and 505, while deal with "misinformation" and "communal harmony". This is backed by the references above.

2. The allegations under discussion run afoul of Wikipedia's Relevance policy. As I justify below, this is information "twice removed", and therefore relevance level "lower" should apply.

Policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Relevance

Relevant snippet:

Relevance level "Lower" – Information that is "twice removed" should usually not be included unless the other considerations described above are unusually strong. For example, in the above "John Smith" article, "Murderer Larry Jones was also a member of the XYZ organization."

The article is about the fact that protests on an issue happened. The fact that they contributed to certain participants' deaths is directly relevant information.

1. Details of how those deaths occured are "information once removed".

2. The fact that certain allegations were made regarding those deaths is "information twice removed".

3. Since there are no "unusually strong" considerations (no plausible evidence for those allegations to be true exists, and plausible evidence against exists), the exemption that is granted within the policy does not apply.

4. The statement "Varadarajan has called the police FIR malicious prosecution" is also "information twice removed". I can think of no "unusual considerations" that would apply in the case either.

5. The following paragraph is also factually incorrect. The charges against Mandeep Punia were not relevant to his report. Although that may be the motivation, but from an objective POV, it's still speculation. A more neutral approach here may be to separate the official charges from a possibly relevant activity.

A more appropriate edit that addresses all these concerns may be (merging paragraphs 2 and 3):

Multiple journalists and an opposition MP were charged with "spreading misinformation" and "disrupting communal harmony" for reporting his family's allegations that gunshot wounds at the hands of Delhi Police contributed to Navreet's death. Separately, a freelance journalist, Mandeep Punia, was arrested by Delhi Police on January 30 for "allegedly obstructing police and causing hurt to police personnel" at Singhu border the day before. Mandeep had previously captured a Facebook video of police misconduct at the protest location [5]. He was granted bail on February 2.

[5] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/journalist-mandeep-punia-held-at-singhu-is-sent-to-jail-for-14-days-7169366/

Kkiddu (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Discussion Request, re: events of Jan 26

I'm trying to collect inputs on an edit request I've submitted to this page (Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 April 2021 (4)). The section, as it stands, has multiple issues:

1. Factual errors. The paragraph alleges that certain journalists were charged with sedition, however the references clearly state that they were charged with "spreading misinformation" and other charges. (The exact IPC sections are listed in my Edit Request).

2. Factual errors and neutrality issues with "Mandeep Punia was arrested by Delhi Police on 30 January in view of his reports regarding the violence". The charges against the journalist, regardless of their merits, were for "obstructing police and causing them hurt". It's extremely likely that it was actually his unfavorable report that triggered these charges, but the connection can't be presented as a matter of fact. My edit separates the official charges and the "offending" report, and I believe it's the best way to report the incident neutrally.

3. Relevance issues: The paragraph goes into certain allegations re: a participant's death. With no evidence existing for those allegations (and evidence existing against), their relevance to the article as "information twice removed" under Wikipedia's relevance policy becomes questionable. Same goes for a quote from one of the journalists who was charged, that the charges are "malicious".

I have proposed an edit to address these issues. The intent is not to minimize or exaggerate any of the offending parties' roles, but precisely the opposite. I hope these suggestions are taken in that spirit. Happy to hear any feedback!

Proposed edit (Section 5.3, merging paragraphs 2 and 3)

Multiple journalists and an opposition MP were charged with "spreading misinformation" and "disrupting communal harmony" for reporting his family's allegations that gunshot wounds at the hands of Delhi Police contributed to Navreet's death. Separately, a freelance journalist, Mandeep Punia, was arrested by Delhi Police on January 30 for "allegedly obstructing police and causing hurt to police personnel" at Singhu border the day before. Mandeep had previously captured a Facebook video of police misconduct at the protest location [5]. He was granted bail on February 2. Kkiddu (talk) 21:03, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Kkiddu, would the unreferenced part of that just be referenced to the existing sources in the article, or would all of it be sourced to the one Indian Express article? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:57, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Repairing the first citation

In the reference list, there is a title breakage in the very first citation added. Looks like the citation was inserted improperly without the use of title tag. please fix it as soon as possible. Thank You. Have a nice day! Utkarsh555 (talk) 07:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2021

Suicide is mentioned under Method section rather than cause section. 106.204.240.189 (talk) 06:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Suicide is a method of protest. Melmann 08:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 September 2021

I would like to edit the number of deaths, it is outdated. Himmat Singh (talk) 08:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. (pinging Himmat Singh) — LauritzT (talk) 09:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2021

Please change the status of the protest from “Ongoing The implementation of the three farm laws has been halted by the Supreme Court of India” to “Ongoing The implementation of the three farm laws has been retaken by the prime minister of India Narendra Modi” 2409:4060:119:D3B9:D11A:6CA5:D759:1704 (talk) 12:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 November 2021

repeal of 3 laws by PM Modi on the occasion of Guru Nanak Gurpurab 116.240.215.74 (talk) 17:05, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:36, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

In the news discussion

Why is Neoliberalism in the See Also?

I don't see any mention of it in the articles, and don't see why it should be included ― TaltosKieronTalk 16:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 December 2021

"Republic Day Kisan Parade" to "Republic Day Kisan Parade and violence" because the content does mention violence. Extorc (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. The heading seems fine, as it's about the parade and events surrounding it. It's the most concise heading. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Protests called off after intense discussions by SKM

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/farmers-end-year-long-protest-as-govt-agrees-to-all-demands-of-protesters-101639032007473.html Given that the SKM has decided to call off the protests if the government accepts all their demands, it doesn't make any sense to show the protests as still going on.

Incorrect use of the military infobox

Wikipedia does not use the military-style infobox for any sort of protest/ unarmed conflict. A few examples of events where there were casualties but no military infobox:

1. 2021 Capitol Hill riot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack 2. Capitol Hill Occupied Zone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest 3. The "Emu War": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Emu_War/Archive_1#War_or_not?

The last one was discussed intensively in the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4043:239B:AC9C:F9EF:FA08:AE19:9B18 (talk) 14:03, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2021

The protest is now officially called off on 11 December 2021 and protest ended with Fateh March (Victory Parade). Singh, Manakpreet (talk) 04:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:47, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Done Here is the link Ganbaruby https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/farmers-end-year-long-protest-as-govt-agrees-to-all-demands-of-protesters-101639032007473.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asingh.21 (talk • contribs)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sennecaster (Chat) 18:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Addendum; Hindustan Times is not a reliable source concerning religion or politics, as there are issues such as fact-checking, editorial oversight, bias, or accuracy within the publication. Sennecaster (Chat) 18:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2021

Please add Rashtriya Lok Dal in supporting political parties. 122.177.73.197 (talk) 13:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:43, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2022

The first International book on the protest was written by Sir-Inder Deol. The Indian Farmers Protest (The Resistance Collection): The Largest Protest in Human History 2020 - 2021, was released on the 11th January 2022.


[1] LiteraryArtSociety (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, if you want some sort of inclusion, the book is likely not notable enough for inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://thetableread.co.uk/book-release-on-the-largest-protest-in-human-history-the-indian-farmers-protest/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=book-release-on-the-largest-protest-in-human-history-the-indian-farmers-protest&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=book-release-on-the-largest-protest-in-human-history-the-indian-farmers-protest https://hicginewsagency.com/2022/01/07/the-indian-farmers-protest-new-book-release-by-sir-inder-deol/ https://sirdeol.com/book-release.html

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2022

Sudip Karmakar23 (talk) 09:52, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

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All India Kisan Mahasabha and Punjab Kisan Union are two major farmers organisation of 2020-2021 Indian Farmers Protest. Please Add those organisations. Sudip Karmakar23 (talk) 09:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. I was unable to verify via the sources provided, so I used this one instead. Heartmusic678 (talk) 14:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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