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Consensuses reached for the 2012 and 2016 elections apply for the 2020 election as well, unless these consensuses are reversed.

Consensus on infobox inclusion criteria (post-election):
A consensus has been reached to only include candidates who received at least 5% of the popular vote in the infobox.

Consensuses on pre-election presentation of candidates

Consensus on infobox inclusion criteria (pre-election):
A consensus has been reached to make it so that the political parties that earned at least one electoral vote in the previous election are to, by default, be included in the infobox of the article about the next election. This means that, as of right now, only the Republican and Democratic parties are to be included in the infobox. Currently, third parties are only to be included in the infobox prior to the election if they are polling, on average, over 5% per this consensus: Rfc on inclusion for the infobox.

Consensus on infobox inclusion criteria for state subpages (pre-election):
A consensus has been reached to include candidates in the infoboxes of state subpages who are polling at an average of at least 5% in a state or are the nominees of parties whose candidates received 5% in a state in the last election.

Consensus on the order of candidates in the infobox (pre-election):

Parties that got at least one electoral vote in the 2016 election will be the first to appear in the infobox and will be ordered by how many electoral votes they got in 2016. Since the Republican Party got 306 electoral votes and the Democratic Party got 232, the Republican Party will be the first to appear in the infobox and the Democratic Party will be the second.
Some political parties that may in the future be qualified to appear in the infobox did not get any electoral votes in 2016. They will be ordered by the total amount of electoral votes in the states that have ballot access. Write-in access counts too.
- If two or more parties have access to the same amount of electoral votes, they will be sorted by how many popular votes they got in 2016. If one of the parties did not participate in the 2016 election, they will be be ordered after the parties (with the access to the same amount of electoral votes) that did. If two or more parties both have access to the same amount of electoral votes and did not participate in the 2016 election, they will be sorted alphabetically by the candidates' names.

Consensus on the criteria for a potential candidate to be included in the article:

The "Publicly expressed interest" section requires only one source from the last six months where the individual is quoted as being interested in running in 2020. Social media posts do not count as public expressions of interest.
The "Potential candidates" section requires at least two sources speculating that an individual may run or where an individual talks about the 2020 election from any point after the 2016 election (since November 9, 2016). The sources must not be a list of several potential candidates nor a persuasive article about why a candidate should run.
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The following images have been discussed:

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Consensus on when to update the popular vote:

Initial: The popular vote tally and percentage should be updated twelve hours after polls close, and then every six hours thereafter.
Superseded: A consensus was agreed upon to shorten the time between updates.

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Impeachment	2,555	2,555
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Maps	1,337	1,337
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Election protests	2,038	2,038
False claims of fraud	22,174	22,174
Lawsuits	4,406	6,885
Texas v. Pennsylvania	2,479	2,479
Trump's refusal to concede	5,972	5,972
GSA delays certifying Biden as president-elect	1,546	1,546
Attempts to delay or deny election results	5,883	5,883
Plot for state legislatures to choose electors	3,877	3,877
Pressure on state and local officials	6,518	6,518
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References	5,150	5,150
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Voter fraud	1,109	1,109
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Remove general procedures for specific elections?[edit]

This article, at the section 2020 United States presidential election#Procedure, contains general information about how U.S. presidential elections are conducted. Several other pages about national elections have similar information, but many others, such as the featured article 1880 United States presidential election, do not. I personally think this general information is out of scope of the article. As an analogy, the article 95th Academy Awards does not contain a paragraph about how the nomination and voting process works in general. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Helpful Raccoon That section refers to United States presidential election § Procedure for further information about general procedures. But note, that section also has procedural changes that were specific to 2020. See also Talk:Trump fake electors plot#Electoral College rules rootsmusic (talk) 22:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't propose removing the entire section, just the first paragraph. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 23:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility is to condense the paragraph to include only basic information about the parties and electoral system, removing details such as contingent elections and restrictions on who can become president. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, thanks @Helpful Raccoon! rootsmusic (talk) 17:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Biden Image in infobox change[edit]

I believe that we should change the photo of Joe Biden in the image box. in the 2020 election he is challenging an incumbent president so I do not believe his presidential portrait is appropriate within this context. In addition, it would help with regards to the 2024 Presidential election page, as I understand there are serious talks amoung the editors about changing Trump's photo in the infobox. Much like here is challenging an incumbent and his presidential portrait is not appropriate. I believe this photo could be a good alternative: PizzaSliced (talk) 06:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's not looking at the camera in this image. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this typically considered a deciding factor? For example, Hilary Clinton's image in the infobox on the 2016 Presidetial Election page has her not looking at the camera aswell. PizzaSliced (talk) 09:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me for my extremely poor phrasing- he's squinting in this image. HRC is not. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I 100% agree with this, 2020 should be a photo of Candidate Biden vs President Trump and likewise 2024 should be President Biden vs Candidate Trump. There was a good one from wikicommons (on the left).

68.189.2.14 :::::(talk) 17:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is that the only concern regarding this change? I believe that in the lead-up to this election, we should seriously consider changing this photo due to the essentially confirmed 2024 presidential election rematch. Especially considering the fact that although a rematch occurred in the 1956 election, Adlai Stevenson II was never an incumbent president, this is quite unprecedented in recent history. As outlined, I believe this change should be implemented, regardless of the specific picture of Biden chosen. 2001:8F8:1163:1DCA:19D1:AF7F:587E:5FE7 (talk) 20:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There are plenty of potential choices in regards to a new picture of Biden in the info-box

PizzaSliced (talk) 07:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the last time this topic was discussed btw. The Savage Norwegian 21:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like we're all on the same page that the presidential portrait is not the right pic. I agree, it's a little strange to use a picture taken months after the election, not before. The Savage Norwegian 21:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Back in December of 2020, they were using File:Joe Biden 2013.jpg. how do we feel about that? The Savage Norwegian 21:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion we should use the new official portrait taken just a few weeks after the election. Using a picture taken in 2013, for an election in 2020 is quite absurd and confusing for a reader, while photos taken during the campaign rallies have far lower quality and usually he doesn't look to the camera. We have always used the new official portrait (see Trump in 2016, Obama in 2012 and 2008, Bush in 2004 and 2000 and so on) so I sincerly don't understand why we have to change this practice now. Moreover, there had been a closed discussion in 2021, during which it was agreed to use the new official portrait of the elected-president, I sincerly believe we should continue on this way. -- Nick.mon (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see! Thank you for finding that thread, because I certainly hadn't. I definitely don't want to trample over consensus. My instinct is if a picture that meets our criteria of very high-quality, facing the camera, and before the election exists, we should use it, preference being for as close to the election as we can. I can certainly see how 2013 doesn't meet that, I had just assumed that it was on the page in late 2020 for a reason. I should have dug deeper, sorry! The Savage Norwegian 14:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2024[edit]

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Donald Trump won 48.84% of the vote in the state of Pennsylvania. The article contains incorrect information and states that Trump won only 48.69% of the vote.

Please take a look at the election results below from the Pennsylvania government confirming that Donald Trump won 48.84% of the vote, and make this correction.

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults?ElectionID=83&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0 22:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)22:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)~~ Mattkonowal13 (talk) 22:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The different percentages are due to whether one includes write-in votes. The table in this article uses numbers directly from the official report of the Federal Election Commission, which includes 21,693 write-in votes for the Green Party candidate and others. You may need to take it up with the FEC. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 03:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattkonowal13 Your observation was clarified in Talk:2020 United States presidential election in Pennsylvania#write ins in PA. rootsmusic (talk) 20:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2024[edit]

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Increase the width of the results table so both margin swing and state name can be viewed at the same time. 63.155.86.129 (talk) 01:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The width seems to be limited by the page width of the Vector 2022 skin (for example, the whole table is shown when I switch to Vector legacy, since it has a wider page width). Unfortunately, I believe this is beyond our control. Liu1126 (talk) 12:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]