Talk:2022 Green Party of Canada leadership election/Archive 1

Archive 1

Candidate Photographs

I did a quick look and noted that Dimitri Lascaris, Paul Manly, and Jenn Kang all have photographs that fall into Fair Use. I did not find one for Dalila Elhak or Naomi Hunter, though I fell like Naomi would happily provide one if she was asked to. Also, are we planning to wait for the race to officially start before reformatting the page to include portraits and endorsement information? Don't want to jump the gun if that's the case. Thanks! MPen92 (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should probably wait until it is called, though I note the Next Conservative Party of Canada leadership election article has already jumped the gun on this. If we include photos, I think we should only do so for declared candidates. Including photos of people who will not end up running seems unnecessary.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I think including for potential candidates makes sense, since they haven't decided one way or the other. We can just remove the photo if they decide not to run. I've also been taking some notes from the CPC Leadership Race page and it works well enough. I'm tempted to at least add photos at this point just so readers can get more familiar with candidates, potential or otherwise. Endorsement boxes can definitely wait until a leadership contest is called, though. MPen92 (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I don't have strong feelings about that. Go for it if you want. If you are going to add photos of Manly, Hunter, Lascaris etc, it might be a good idea to fill out more information about their biography, so the photos are not all on top of each other, unless you are thinking of a gallery like this one. In my view, those photos should likely be removed later though if they don't run in the end.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 02:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Definitely going with a bio and photo (if possible) for declared candidates and the gallery for potential candidates. And yes, anyone who ends up declining to run will have their photo removed. MPen92 (talk) 20:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Is Jenn Kang a withdrawn or a declined candidate?

Seems odd to include a "candidate" who announced and then "withdraws" before the contest is even called. Is that person a proper candidate? For what? There was no race, when they were "running". I have no strong feelings about including it at this stage. But when the race is actually called and real candidates emerge, it may be rather WP:UNDUE to include Kang in this way. Seems more like a publicity stunt than a candidacy. Also problematic because it hasn't received any significant coverage in WP:RS (and likely won't in the future).--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Given the facts, I think it can be argued that they declared and then withdrew. It would help to sort this out if we had a reason for the withdrawal, though.

Over time it may be turn out to be not even worth mentioning this incident as "non-notable", but I am wondering what happens if the one remaining declared person withdraws too. We will have to cover that, if they end up with no candidates. What if a party held a leadership contest and nobody came? - Ahunt (talk) 21:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I expect some candidates will announce when the race officially begins, and be approved as official candidates. It would be quite a story if they didn't, because that would be absurdly unexpected. The mention of Kang is fine as is now (or at least I don't feel strongly about it). When the race begins if (or more likely when) several candidates become official, I am not sure how much focus we want to give to Kang, but we can deal with that when it happens.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

As someone who actually knows Jenn, I can assure you it's not a publicity stunt. Also, they are re-entering the race. We can add the withdrawal as a note if we want to, but I'm not sure it's worth it. Thoughts? MPen92 (talk) 01:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I did not tell them to reconsider. They just told me. If it is felt that there is a Conflict Of Interest I will back away and let you two handle this. MPen92 (talk) 02:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

That is fine, useful information, at least. No COI, just some inside information. Obviously we have to go with what the refs say, but at least what you have told us here indicates we should hang onto the information we have and prepare to shift it back, when refs indicate. - Ahunt (talk) 02:13, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright, I was speaking loosely and perhaps should not have made the comment now struck out. In any event, I agree with AHunt we need to rely on the WP:RS not WP:OR. Also I think my concerns this may be undue stands. All we have are social media posts from Kang to support their candidacy. If they have not actually "reentered" the race that has not started yet, or if they later re-withdraw before the race starts and without significant coverage of their candidacy, we need to be mindful of whether we are giving too much focus to it. But that may be a problem for when the race actually starts.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 03:05, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

It has been updated now and that is fine. Perhaps later this will be "undue" or even "not-notable", but for now the coverage seems reasonable. - Ahunt (talk) 03:09, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

So, Jenn has once again announced their withdrawal from running. However, just to be sure, I'll give this a few days to see if it sticks. After that, we can decide whether to add them to Withdrawn or Declined. MPen92 (talk) 19:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Another declared candidate, but...

So, there's another person who has declared their intent to run for GPC leadership by the name of Adam Kuras-Schoonbeek. Thing is, there's almost no information for a biography and what information is available isn't the most flattering. I don't see any instances where they previously ran for office, either federally or provincially. All I have to go on is a Facebook page, Twitter account, LinkedIn (with bare minimum info), and this article with the Niagara Falls Review: https://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/news/crime/2021/03/31/judge-doubts-authenticity-of-essay-on-racism-submitted-by-man-charged-with-a-hate-crime.html

I can try to write something up for him, but it won't be very long and the biggest chunk will be from the news article. Any advice for how to proceed? MPen92 (talk) 18:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Anyone can just say they are running, without the party having any input on that. I read your linked ref above and so, in the case of this person, I think it is likely that the party will not permit him to run, since he was convicted of racist hate crimes. Perhaps it would be best to wait for a party reaction or at least a media report on him running. - Ahunt (talk) 20:38, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Thanks. MPen92 (talk) 00:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Other Potential Candidates

So, I'm not sure if anyone else has kept a look out for other potential candidates, but I've heard wind of two people who might be looking to run in the future (no official announcements or indications in media yet).

Anna Keenan from Prince Edward Island, who has run previously in Malpeque (coming second in 2019).

Evelyn Tanaka, the President of the Green Party of Alberta (she's leaving, though, possibly for this?) who has previously run in Calgary Shepard.

I also suspect we MIGHT see Jo-Ann Roberts (currently Deputy Leader of the Green Party of Nova Scotia) run for leadership.

So these are some names to keep an eye out for. MPen92 (talk) 13:27, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

So, I have discovered an inconsistency. I was looking over the info for Sarah Gabrielle Baron and noted that, while one of the sources indicates that she ran in the riding I referenced in 2006 as a Green, a different name was listed. I had a look at the EC voting results for that riding in 2006 and they also don't match what's on the Wiki page. The page says "Stan Hutchinson," but the links are broken and this link here (https://www.elections.ca/Scripts/VIS/HistoricalResults/35002_e.html) says the candidate was "Sarah Hutchinson." Not sure what's gone on there. I'll leave a note on the riding's Talk page. For now, are we comfortable leaving this page as is?MPen92 (talk) 19:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

The other page has been corrected now, so everything is good. MPen92 (talk) 21:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)