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Boris Johnson and Liz Truss both resigned as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in 2022, both published their resignation honours in 2023. What is the logic for using 2022 in Johnson's list and 2023 in Truss's? Robin S. Taylor (talk) 21:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Came here with the same question. Every other list I've found has been issued in the same year as the prime minister in question resigned, so it's not clear to me whether the logic should be the year the resignation occurred or the year the list was issued. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The 2019 Dissolution Honours weren't published until mid-2020, whereas New Year Honours (including the ones simultaneous with Truss's) are published a few days before the new year, so it's clear that lists should be named after the year of the event they're commemorating, not the year of publication. I recommend merging this page with 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours.

I've tried a different format where they're both on the same page. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 10:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to gov.uk, the 2019 Dissolution Honours were called "Dissolution Peerages 2019". While the Resignation Honours for Johnson Truss were called "Resignation Honours: June 2023" and "Resignation Honours: December 2023" Mike Rohsopht (talk) 12:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why not use just their names without a year? -- DeFacto (talk). 11:21, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps they should be merged into the "Premiership of..." pages if they belong to the relevant PM?

But then again it's probably more navigateable as is, and a link can always be included from the premiership page. Keirstitt (talk) 20:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree with your point but the Cabinet Office refer to them as the 2023 resignation honours and so should adopt that name even if it fails logical tests. Keirstitt (talk) 20:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

gov quote re previous honours by lab PMs.[edit]

There's a back and forth on this quote.

The gov quote is clearly misleading and therefore as per neutrality shouldn't be included without context.

Neither Blair or Brown issued resignation honours. Of course they issued dissolution honours as they were PM when elections were held - they also issued birthday honours, new year honours etc.

The dissolution honours aren't the prime ministers as such. For example the 2010 dissolution honours created 16 Conservative Peers.

My suggestion is that if we can't provide context we just delete the whole quote as it doesn't add anything to the article.

Any comments? Keirstitt (talk) 20:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Keirstitt, I had the same thoughts and I have already been bold and deleted it. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I agree.

It would otherwise be difficult to choose wording that balances the quote in a way that isn't simply opinion.

And the lack of detailed treatment of this precise point by commentators that we could quote tells us that the point isn't really notable anyway. Keirstitt (talk) 21:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is this titled the 2023 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours List when Truss concluded her term as PM in 2022? Boris Johnson's Resignation Honours was announced in June 2023 and yet is titled the 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours List (Johnson also ended his term in 2022). IHGSA52859 (talk) 08:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read the first entry on this page.Robin S. Taylor (talk) 20:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed renaming[edit]

I propose we rename this article "2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours (Truss)", with the page currently titled 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours renamed "2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours (Johnson)".

There is clear precedent, from every previous Resignation Honours list, for them to be titled with the year that the Prime Minister in question resigned. Wikipedia lists Honours lists under the titles of years they relate to, even if they are gazetted or published a different year - most New Years Honours lists, for example, are published in December of the previous year.

To have one article titled 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours and another titled 2023 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours is misleading and unhelpful, particularly given that both resignations came in 2022, but both honours lists were published in 2023. OGBC1992 (talk) 18:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]