Talk:2023 Slovenia floods

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On 7 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2023 Carinthia and Slovenia floods to 2023 Slovenia floods. The result of the discussion was moved.

Move[edit]

@ThurnerRupert: I suggest moving the article back to the original title. Not only it’s undue in relations title vs. content, but also as only Loibl was mentioned so far. Also, your numbers were 275 l/48 hrs; which is 125l/24 hrs, while ours were 150 l/12 hrs - which translates to 300 l/24 hrs. What are your suggestions? A09 (talk) 08:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dubstar44: i agree why is the title Carinthia and Slovenia floods Carinthia is in Slovenia so should stick with Slovenia floods.

Carinthia is in Austria. The floods doesn’t know country borders. So in fact it should be 2023 Austria and Slovenia floods. See also sources for example: Slovenia, Austria floods leave 3 dead, At least 3 killed amid heavy rains, floods in Slovenia and Austria, Slovenia, Austria floods leave 3 dead. 109.38.139.34 (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Current title is undue in relation of title vs. content. As previously said, only Loibl was mentioned so far. A09 (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article is incomplete, also not covering the most recent Slovenian events. So the question is, should the title be what the content is of the article at the moment; or should the title be what the complete article should be? An Austrian section with “incomplete section template”/“update template” can easily be added. 109.38.139.34 (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BE BOLD, go ahead and add. A09 (talk) 19:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done 109.38.139.34 (talk) 21:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 August 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 13:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Carinthia and Slovenia floods → 2023 Slovenia floods – Current title presents undue weight to current article text with only mentions of Austria being rainfall on Loibl pass. A09 (talk) 18:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative support. It might be too early to tell, as the floods are currently still affecting Croatia, but from what I've seen, Slovenia has borne the brunt of the damage. At the very least, it should be mentioned first. Daß Wölf 20:57, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support; the current title with Carinthia in the first place, while perhaps technically not wrong, detracts from the gravity of the situation in Slovenia. Flooding in Austria was nothing out of the ordinary, plus, if we were being inclusive, Croatia should be mentioned too - and that would make the title downright confusing. Neighboring areas can still be mentioned in the text with a simpler title. — Yerpo ^Eh? 17:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
oppose, carinthia is used for 2 regions, in austria and slovenia, to distinguish, slovenian carinthia is named with its slovene name in the article, koroska. what i'd prefer would be to name it metereological as done for other depressions or storms. the official name was petar, i put a link now out of 2022–23 European windstorm season. not sure though if "petar", "storm petar", "depression petar", "storm petar (zaccharias)" would be appropriate. ThurnerRupert (talk) 23:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: listing both Slovenian Carinthia and Slovenia in the title makes even less sense, and is actually a good argument for renaming. Further, no WP:RS I can find calls this event "storm Petar", not even NDR that you used to support this statement. — Yerpo ^Eh? 07:00, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Petar is not a Slovenian name and using Croatian name for an event that striked mostly Slovenia is not acceptable. Furthermore, Zaccharia has no correlation to Petar and is confusing to the un-knowing. A09 (talk) 07:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

as far as i understood zaccharia was the name of the depression in the north, when petar merged with a depression coming from england? what i also cannot read out of the article, is it really true that slovenia had such a flood already 4 times in the last 30 years? on the north side of the mountains, this was exceptional, nothing comparable measured in the last 30 years at least. if not petar, how the slovene meteorolgists call it, i could not find another name? ThurnerRupert (talk) 22:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can’t really comment on names of storms as I have no data at my disposal. You’re right that 4 floods occured in last 30 years, but these were the biggest of them all (speaking both in flooded area as well as financial damages). A09 (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Carinthia[edit]

I suggest using "Austrian Carinthia" and "Slovenian Carinthia" in place of "Carinthia" and "Koroška [sic]", respectively, to make the article easier to read. Daß Wölf 21:00, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with this proposal. A09 (talk) 21:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, thats OR. 112 Google finds is way way way to little. Matthiasb (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think it falls under OR. (Austrian) Carinthia has a hatnote on top with link to Carinthia (Slovenia) included A09 (talk) 07:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]