Talk:2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup

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USA can still finish in top eight[edit]

USA can still finish in top eight of 2022 world cup, so the qualification should include USA till it is officially declared. But the same when I edited for on 2nd July, then it was not displaying. why? Anishssgj (talk) 02:24, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

USA host status with regards to qualifying[edit]

Kia ora (hello) everyone

As per this article, USA are no longer an official co-host of the WC (from what I can gather). Does anyone know of any sources which state their qualifying status? I'm leaving it as is for now, but as usual, the ICC has been very vague on this matter.

Thanks KakapoKiwi12 (talk) 22:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They are still hosts, but they have been removed from the organising part of hosting. Moedk (talk) 05:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so they qualify automatically, but don't organize anything. KakapoKiwi12 (talk) 23:41, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, at the moment it is still planned to host matches in USA, but WI have all organising responsibilities. Moedk (talk) 06:46, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Halp me 2409:40D4:100D:2451:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 11:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Qualification graphic[edit]

From ICC - See ICC graphic 110.33.28.251 (talk) 12:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For those who can't click on things for some reason, here is the relevant text:
ICC MEN'S T20 WORLD CUP 2024 - 20 TEAMS
2 host nations - USA and West Indies
Top 8 teams at the ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2022 (top 4 teams in each Super 12 group)
Top 2† best ranked unqualified teams (In the MRF Tyres ICC Men's T20I Team Rankings on 14 November 2022)
8 qualifiers through regional finals
† if the USA and/or West Indies finish in the top 8 at the ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2022, the 3-4 best-ranked unqualified teams qualify
Hope that clears things up 110.33.28.251 (talk) 00:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Virander.sirohi: please see the above and then tell me who is WRONG. Spike 'em (talk) 15:17, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Virander.sirohi: please see the above and state your interpretationSpike 'em (talk) 15:30, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or this source: [1]

What I seriously don't understand is this. Sure, the ICC often says "Top 8 qualify" but that is just a quick vague description, which could mean a couple of different things. However, whenever they clarify what that means, it is always clear: "Top 4 teams in each Super 12 group". If there was something that said "Top 8 results across the two groups" I might have a bit more sympathy to this. Also, the way the WIndies and US are treated in this wouldn't make any sense if it were Top 8 overall, you wouldn't need to include their possible results in the mix if that were the case - it would happen naturally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.28.251 (talk) 02:06, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifiers by ranking[edit]

Cricket News — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ams2255 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably good to get consensus (or historical precedent) on when this is "determined". Regardless of whether India win their last match I am 99.9999% sure the teams will be Afghanistan and Bangladesh, but I'm not sure what to use to "prove" this - as the rankings on the link are at 31 October (and have some errors compared with the ICC page as well). Does that current list suffice as "evidence", or do we need an update to (say) the last game any relevant team plays (ie, up to 6 November) or do we need to wait for the 14 November update. 110.33.28.251 (talk) 09:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You might note this has already been effectively factored into the qualification tournament links (so Zimbabwe is listed in the Africa final, Ireland in the Europe one, but Bangladesh and Afghanistan not in the Asian one) 110.33.28.251 (talk) 11:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe wait for the ICC out some other reliable source to state "Afg and Bang have qualified sure to rankings" Spike 'em (talk) 12:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cricinfo says Afg Ban already qualified. I guess the ranking wont change much on 14th. Human (talk) 01:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zimbabwe and Ireland[edit]

Is there a reason Zimbabwe and Ireland were promoted to "Qualified". I saw User: 2001:8F8:1D61:6A1B:4D19:B52C:A9DE:9808 went ahead and updated almost 5-6 pages with this information. Have there been any changes? Sputink (talk) 19:58, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2023[edit]

Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

The hyperlink of England takes to the Nepal Cricket team so please change the link from Nepal to England Rashbeth (talk) 14:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 16:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

someone added NEPAL in the semi final and India Vs Nepal in the final. This is vandalism. Anishssgj (talk) 04:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit not supporting[edit]

Nepal has qualified but when edited Nepal doesn't show in Asia Qualifier. only oman shows up. Anishssgj (talk) 04:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Group Stage Teams[edit]

Someone added teams in the group stage. ICC has yet to announce these teams 39.62.1.34 (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. Someone needs to remove the edits by Tanbin20 since its unsourced and inaccurate information. The group stage seedings haven't been announced yet. 171.76.80.65 (talk) 22:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please revert the four edits by Tanbin 20 and revert the Group stage subsection to this version https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_ICC_Men%27s_T20_World_Cup&oldid=1183971227 171.76.80.65 (talk) 22:20, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Already done Pinchme123 (talk) 05:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2023[edit]

Groups are not published yet and the vandalism has been done. Cites an article that doesn't really talk about what the guy's editing. Only thing certain about group division as of yet is india and Pakistan will be on same group nothing else.

The previous edits are vandalism and spreading false rumors. 120.89.104.50 (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Duplicate. Pinchme123 (talk) 05:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maps and stadiums[edit]

After much discussion and so on, we decided to remove the photos and simplify the layout of these on the 2023 Cricket World Cup article. For the same reasons I'll propose doing so here as well, Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bump this for comment. Also, given the recent change made to the list, do we actually know the venues rather than just the countries? This strikes me as someone having a guess that if it's county X then it must be ground Y rather than, outside the USA, us actually knowing which grounds will be played on yet? Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there's sources for the venues, it seems like WP:SYNTH to assume they'll all be in the biggest cricket stadiums in a country. Brian Lara Cricket Academy and the US venues have been confirmed, but as far as I can see, the Caribbean venues have not- only the hosting countries. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is now done with one way of doing it. If anyone knows if there's a map of just the eastern Caribbean that would be helpful - far too much blank space. I'm sure this will all be reverted without a comment here - discuss first please: no one raised objections. I've cut the data to just the confirmed venues and commented out the sections that will need to be added. There's also a commented out number of matches column that can be added once we actually know the number of matches. I imagine a photo of the Kensington Oval might be appropriate as that's the final venue. Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that, looks much better, though as you say, I'm sure someone will unilaterally revert back to the version with the unsourced venues and the maps in the middle. As for the Caribbean image issue, not sure it's easily fixable, as the template is using Module:Location map/data/Caribbean which fixes the image, and there isn't an equivalent module for "Eastern Caribbean"/"West Indies" so far as I can see. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And I see that Pkr206 is adding the countries back that haven't confirmed their venues.... Joseph2302 (talk) 14:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tbh, it's a bit silly to not include the countries that are still confirmed, especially when they only have one venue it could possibly be. Removing the venues just seems like blindly following rules, rather than going with reality, and it makes the page less accurate overall. Edit: This is even mentioned in WP:SYNTH with "Any straightforward reading of such media is not original research provided that there is consensus among editors that the techniques used are correctly applied and a meaningful reflection of the sources." It's a pretty straight forward reading of the sources, that at least in Guyana, Providence will be used as it's the only stadium available.Basetornado (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of the countries have more than one cricket stadium, so it could be any of them hosting it. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They don't though. The other grounds are either abandoned or are not used for international games. I understand your point, but it feels like the worst part of wikipedia, where common sense is ignored, because it doesn't have a source explictly stating the ground, despite the sources we do have, making it clear what grounds are in play because it's not necessary to say it due to the context, which is where the "Straightforward reading" comes into play. Removing them from the page, just makes things more difficult for the reader. I understand if it gets changed, and i'm not going to stop you. But it is only making the page worse overall. Basetornado (talk) 15:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Except for Guyana, which only has Providence Stadium and Bourda is no longer in use. Pkr206 (talk) 15:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just be patient and wait. We’re jumping the gun again and speculating. That’s a pretty poor way to build something reliable and trustworthy. It doesn’t have to be added right now. Given that places have already pulled out, let’s try and wait and actually get it right for a change Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't speculation though. It's using context. I will also say that I don't really trust your edits, after you reverted back one of mine after I fixed your writing that made no sense, telling me to "Trust you" that it did make sense, even though it clearly didn't. Basetornado (talk) 15:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can we at least add back the photos, I understand only going with the confirmed venues, but it looks much worse without the photos. It just looks unfinished now. Basetornado (talk) 14:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a lot more readable without them. One of the Kensington Oval might be appropriate if it is actually going to be the ground they play the final on. Anything else is probably a really bad idea Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you say so. It just looks a bit empty without them. Basetornado (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-proteted request on 5 January 2024[edit]

Lot of unnecessary and unsourced edits by anonymous users is leading to confusions. Cric editor (talk) 14:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Liu1126 (talk) 14:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixture lists[edit]

Is there an actual source for the fixture lists, and even the teams in the groups? [2] says they know the groups, but unless information is actually confirmed by the ICC, it seems like WP:SPECULATION to me. The entire groups and fixture lists being added don't seem to have actually been confirmed by the ICC, it would make sense for them to actually announce it instead of copying other new sources' claims of groups for this event. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Descent to garbage status[edit]

Apparently it is vital to have not one, but two, lists of the venues and locations and capacities, but also the utterly critical information of how may matches are played at each ground. Yet, it isn't particularly important that, given the qualification to the second stage is LITERALLY DETERMINED BY THE SEEDING, what the seeding is. In fact, this information actually is actively removed by editors who then seek to close off access to anyone fixing their garbage. 0/10, would laugh at again (particularly when people start adding second round qualification in and do it wrong). 165.12.252.116 (talk) 04:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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