Talk:34th Street–Hudson Yards station

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the 34th Street – Hudson Yards station is New York City's first new subway station in a quarter-century?

Busiest station?[edit]

Why, under any circumstances, would they ever presume to say that this terminal station on a single line would ever have higher ridership than times square? That's an even worse exaggeration and lie than even Miami planners have come up with to sell projects to the feds (factor of five on Metrorail "predicted" 250,000 got 50,000 during first two decades). This is closer to a factor of ten of what it will likely be a few years in. B137 (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know the MTA didn't say that 34 St would be the single busiest station in the system. Or if they did, they communicated poorly. The actual projection they made was that 34 St will be the busiest station that's only served by one line. Right now that honor goes to Flushing-Main St which has about 60,000 riders per weekday. 200,000 riders a day will be a huge leap from that. What's ironic is, the MTA projected 200,000 riders per weekday for 34 St in the future, and last year Times Sq-42 St surpassed 200,000 weekday riders for the first time, so the MTA's projection is pretty innocuous for now. But seeing as how the station's initial ridership was lower than the MTA's projections for opening date, you can't help but doubt their projections. PrecipiceofDuck (talk) 00:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC) (P.S. sorry for off-topicness, but how do I indent?)[reply]

But 200,000, when no other station was pulling that, would imply busiest station. Of course it could be on his to extrapolate and say that to support 200,000 at this station, other stations would necessarily have to increase such that by the time it reached 200,000 it wouldnt be the busiest at that future time. Either way it is a ridiculous number. B137 (talk) 01:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Carbrera (talk · contribs) 03:22, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Infobox[edit]

  • All great!! :)

Lead[edit]

  • Just a suggestion: "It has two tracks and one island platform, with two levels of mezzanines—one directly above the platform, the other directly below street level." --> "It has two tracks and one island platform, with two levels of mezzanines: one directly above the platform and the other directly below street level."
    •  Done.
  • "It was originally proposed as part of the failed attempt to build the West Side Stadium for the New York Jets and the city's bid for the 2012 Summer Olympics." --> You already mentioned in the previous paragraph that it was part of an attempt for the 2012 Olympics, so please remove this second reference to it
    •  Done.

History[edit]

  • "began exploring the possibility of a 7 extension to New Jersey.[5]" --> What does "7 extension" mean?
    • Clarified it.
  • "In his December 12, 2006, address to the New York League of Conservation Voters noted that in November 2006, the government began issuing bonds to fund the extension of the 7 subway to Eleventh Avenue and 34th Street.[9]" --> "In his December 12, 2006 address to the New York League of Conservation Voters noted that in November 2006, the government began issuing bonds to fund the extension of the 7 subway to Eleventh Avenue and 34th Street.[9]"
    •  Done.
  • "In June 2008, construction on the tunnels began along Eleventh Avenue in Manhattan." --> No source.

Delays[edit]

  • "Officials had insisted that the Italian-manufactured elevator have software and parts made from a variety of different companies in America, rather than from a single foreign company.[41]" --> "Officials had insisted that the Italian-manufactured elevator(s) had software and parts made from a variety of different companies in America, rather than from a single foreign company.[41]"
    •  Done.

Operations[edit]

Station layout[edit]

  • Just a suggestion: "The station has a total of nine escalators from the lower mezzanine to the main entrance, as well as four elevators. Of these, two are vertical elevators—one from street level to the upper mezzanine, and one from the lower mezzanine to platform level." --> "The station has a total of nine escalators from the lower mezzanine to the main entrance, as well as four elevators; of these, two are vertical elevators—one from street level to the upper mezzanine, and one from the lower mezzanine to platform level."
    •  Done.
  • Rest is good
    • Thanks!

Entrances and exits[edit]

  • Any details if the Secondary station will be handicap–accessible?
    • It doesn't look like the second entrance will have an elevator. The sources only mention escalators.
  • "The main entrance, located east of the intersection of 34th Street and Eleventh Avenue at Hudson Boulevard, has a turtle shell-shaped glass canopy above it that allows light to shine on the upper mezzanine;[81] The elevator is located east of the northeast corner of Eleventh Avenue and 33rd Street, while the escalator entrance is located between 33rd and 34th Streets, in the middle of the block within Hudson Park in the boulevard." --> "The main entrance, located east of the intersection of 34th Street and Eleventh Avenue at Hudson Boulevard, has a turtle shell-shaped glass canopy above it that allows light to shine on the upper mezzanine;[81] the elevator is located east of the northeast corner of Eleventh Avenue and 33rd Street, while the escalator entrance is located between 33rd and 34th Streets, in the middle of the block within Hudson Park in the boulevard."
    •  Done.

Features[edit]

  • Nada enchilada; very well-written here!!
    • Thanks!

Track layout[edit]

  • "The storage tracks at this location were constructed due to the Corona Yard in Queens lacking any space to hold any more trains, and expanding the yard is very difficult due to its location next to the Flushing River." --> No source.
    • Re-used a source from the next sentence.

Projected ridership[edit]

  • Just a suggestion: "It was reported that only 7,000 daily riders entered the station between September 13–22, 2015,[120] below the MTA's projected ridership of 32,000 passengers upon the station's opening." --> "It was reported that only 7,000 daily riders entered the station between September 13–22, 2015,[120] heavily below the MTA's projected ridership of 32,000 passengers upon the station's opening."
    •  Done (well, somewhat done, anyway). I replaced "heavily" with "drastically".

Effects[edit]

  • All great! Well done!
    • Thanks again!

End of GA Review:[edit]

Love these articles! Thanks for being so thorough in your wording here! It makes the job easier for the both of us. On hold for seven days to allow for any changes to be made. Thanks as always! Cheers, Carbrera (talk) 18:05, 30 June 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Image of artwork is not a free image[edit]

No matter who took it and how they licensed it when they uploaded it. Public art, whether two- or three-dimensional (and this one straddles both), in the United States is not covered under the freedom of panorama exception from copyright law; therefore Ms. Bailey owns the copyright on the photo as well as an inherently derivative work of her original artwork. It is not the MTA's to release under a free license on Flickr. They are not copyright experts, anymore than we'd expect Lawrence Lessig to be an expert on mass transit operations.

Unless someone is willing to reach out to Ms. Bailey and ask if her if she'd give the MTA permission retroactively to release that image under CC, it will have to be deleted from Commons.

Even so, it can be kept in the article if we reduce it in size, add some sourced commentary on the image to the accompanying text, and upload it locally with a fair-use justification.

If there is no action on this within a reasonable time I will have to request the image's deletion from Commons. Daniel Case (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Need some 2016 ridership examples[edit]

We all know ridership was low when it opened, and even lower after that, with dismal adjusted 2015 numbers. Comic Con was the only time of decent but not great ridership. Is there any ridership info for 2016? Either from individual event reports via news etc, or via deduction from other ridership info such as from the MTA itself. B137 (talk) 05:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It will come in early 2017.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

MTA should release the ridership figures by around April 22–28, 2017. It's the custom for the MTA to release the previous year's ridership info in the third week of April. epicgenius (talk) 15:51, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Epicgenius: - So how bout it, are they out yet? B137 (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@B137: Nope, sorry. epicgenius (talk) 12:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@B137: I have updated the ridership.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:28, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like that annual number roughly divided still comes out below 10,000 per weekday :/ B137 (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm surprised that ridership below 10,000 a day still puts it in the top half of ridership, 189 our of 422. B137 (talk) 18:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017 ridership looks like it would divide out to only about 10,000 a day. B137 (talk) 20:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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