Talk:9th millennium BC/GA1

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look. I will make straightforward changes as I go and jot queries below. Please revert if I accidentally change the meaning. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Link sedentary, goat grass, chromosome~~. All done.

I'd expand the Pottery section a little - a sentence or two to describe some of the salient features about the two pottery stages mentioned. A bit more added – please check.

Better...but I still don't get any idea of what the pottery looked like or did.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

... ~~often by means of coiling, and pit fired~~ ~~- grammar fix needed. Changed wording.~~

Sim~~ilarly the Metallurgy section. Anything else about the earliest copper use - smelting? Would be good. A bit more added – please check.~~

~~please use "around/about/approximately/roughly" for "c." or circa. - prosier.~~ Agreed: changed wording or simply removed the abbreviation.

The Other cultural developments section - some of these could be expanded by a sentence or two. Moved things around a bit to deal with single sentence paragraphs which shouldn't have been there. Please see how it looks now and if more is needed.'

This section is a bit haphazard - reading the main articles, it looks as if Tell Qaramel is a bit old and can be left out, while the others are alot more relevant - and it begs the question as to why we have lots on the Natufians and these ones are only touched upon..? e.g. the Göbekli Tepe had amazing little bas reliefs Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Similarly the Environmental changes section.~~ Human migration was the key legacy of the land bridge so have added something about that.

~~Do we know anything about the climate? was it the same or colder than now?~~ Good point. Should have mentioned the Greenlandian which was a period of rising climate following the Younger Dryas.

~~Are there any centres of study for this millennium?~~ I can't find anything specific as subjects like archaeology, geology, anthropology, stratigraphy, etc. tend to cover periods of several millennia. The sources used in the article have dated certain events to this millennium but they are interested in a much broader timespan.

I figured as much Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking out loud here, but maybe a section on how we know what we know? How is it studied? It is done by subject, really, a lot depending on archaeological finds but, as the opening paragraph says, all the dates are estimates mostly based on geological and anthropological analysis. I can expand that if you wish.

In which case, I guess some examples of how we know things interspersed with the descriptions is ok. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Anything on domesticated animals at this time at all (or lack thereof)?~~ It's generally believed that the dog was domesticated but that was earlier and it's mentioned in 10th millennium BC. The cat first domesticated humans much later, in Egypt, when our usefulness became apparent, ha! (As you can tell, I live with a cat!) There was the early livestock mentioned in the article. Do you think an extra section would help or should I expand the agricultural one with more about animals?

BTW a fascinating topic. Kudos for taking it on... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Casliber: Thank you for doing the review. I've attended to the first few points but I'll be unavailable now for a few hours. Will continue later today. Regards, No Great Shaker (talk) 08:19, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've answered all the points now although some may need to be taken further as indicated. Please read it again and see what you think. Thanks very much. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have read this a couple of times as I think the order makes no sense. I'd move the Environmental changes to the top and call it "Setting" or something. The last para about humans really should be at the top of a Population and settlements section, which should be near the top and maybe include all the Other cultural developments items...?

also - 3 volcanic eruptions occurred (see List of Quaternary volcanic eruptions) - Ulleungdo, Grímsvötn and Taupo Volcano - so a few lines on these three eruptions should be added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not for this millennium, but might want to keep an eye on List of tsunamis too if you keep going. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Casliber: Hello and thank you for the comprehensive feedback which will be useful when I can work on the article again. Unfortunately, I must abandon the site for the foreseeable due to illness at home. Will be in touch when I can return. I suggest you close this review as I will not be available any time soon. Thanks again and all the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:32, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@No Great Shaker: that is very sad to hear. I will close this soon, but will be very happy to re-review should you nominate it again in the future. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:54, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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- a real shame to close it now, but this can be re-opened later. I think we're not far off - a few issues that need to be researched and added and some reorganisation as noted above. Happy to re-review promptly if someone re-nominates Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:54, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]