Talk:A. P. J. Abdul Kalam/Archive 3

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ankit Maity (talk · contribs) 12:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   • Biography needs {{Persondata}}
   • The lead should adequately summarize the content of the article. (Lead contains nothing about Future: 2020 and all)
   • Wikilinks should only be made if they are relevant to the context. Common words do not need wikilinking.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comment

Sorry for delayed reply. Thanks Ankit for coming up and reviewing the nomination. Will you mind if you can let me know what are the necessary fixes I should work on the article? I believe that your review wasn't a detailed one and can be worked on after fixing few problems. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 16:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Isn't it written under the Review section (Point 1)? --Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 15:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

In addition to the issues raised in Point 1 (and the peer reviewer), I have a few more suggestions:

Have worked upon the provided link, on whatever I could. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 14:09, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

• {{cn}} tags should be addressed or removed as appropriate
  •  Done -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 19:48, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
• What makes this a reliable source?
  • Removed it, adding new reliable sourced. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 13:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
• Some general copyediting needed for grammar
  •  Done. Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
• Issues with non-neutral/unencyclopedic tone - for example, "he had a discipline of starting the day at 4:00 am following the footsteps of his father"
  •  DoneRemoved it. Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
• Criticisms need more citations
  •  DoneMore citations and also topic on mercy plea included.Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
• Perhaps a bit overemphasis on frisking? Nikkimaria (talk) 20:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Seconded Nikkimaria.--Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 16:08, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Three incidents of national importance,so think needs to be retained - reworded some portions. Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

My on-off Wiki status is probably delaying stuff's. Working on all these issues in a slow track. Thanks! -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 19:48, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

•  Done Other potions of importance like interaction with students, visiting prof, integrated missile program have been expanded.

Add "popular culture" to the lead.--Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 12:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

 DoneSsriram mt (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

• Carried out a second round of copy-edit, removed dubious references and streamlined some sections. Ssriram mt (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Add "Controversies" to lead. Change ",and" to "and".--Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 06:32, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Good spot on the and, - have changed and also added the controversies part in the lead.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Religion

User:Wasifwasif is adding unreliable sources to make changes to A. P. J. Abdul Kalam's religion. He is asked to refrain from doing and use talkpage to discuss the matter. Thanks--Neelkamala (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Matter already reported to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics Neelkamala is asked to stop Edit warring. Wasif (talk) 11:17, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

See WP:BLPCAT. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to Nomoskedasticity for intervening and reverting edits of Wasif. --Neelkamala (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

The discussion is ON in India related topics and the consensus arrived there would be final. i am not going to revert until then. Wasif (talk) 06:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Categories

Hi. Wasifwasif ..He is already listed as "Tamil Scientist" and "ISRO people", which are both subcategories of "Indian Scientists", and further as he is already listed as "Tamil Scientist", "Tamil politician" and "Tamil engineers" "Tamil poets ", so isn't "Tamil peole" obvious? Kindly check yourself also and remove the super categories of already listed sub-categories. --Vigyani (talk) 15:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I've now done it anyhow. --Vigyani (talk) 00:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Is Dr. Abdul Kalam a follower of Sathya Sai Baba?

Is Dr. Abdul Kalam a follower of Sathya Sai Baba ? See reliable sources notice board Please comment there, not here, in order to have a centralized discussion. I am asking because I am checking the list of followers at Sathya Sai Baba. Thanks in advance. Andries (talk) 19:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Criticism

I deleted a section titled "Personal Attacks" from the article about Kalam over-claiming credit for the missile program, since the section's content were not at all supported by the sources it cited. However, there well may be other reliable and relevant sources on the topic. If so, feel free to re-add this point of criticism to the article, although it may be best to run it by the talk page first . Abecedare (talk) 17:41, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

APJ Abdul Kalam is Dead

Hey All It's very to sorry inform that Mr.Kalam died on Monday 27/07/15 after falling during a speech. Akshatbahety (talk) 15:30, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Doubt

Died at age 0. Is that a typo?
223.176.159.180 (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

Since APJ abdul kalam is no more, his died section needs to be changed from (0) to (83) Anurag imp (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)  Done by another - Arjayay (talk) 16:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Uncertain Death

He died on 27th July,2016.He was suffered by the heart attack during speech at Shillong.He was taken immediately to hospital.but, uncertainly he died at 7.45 pm.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

He was passed away on 24-0-2015 in Meghalaya on a speech. During a a Meeting Nalini 1985 (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)  Done by another - Arjayay (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

He was born in a fishermen boat owner family. Despite poverty we rose to such high level.

182.65.11.70 (talk) 15:57, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: - The article already states his father was "a boat owner, and his mother Ashiamma, a housewife. He came from a poor background and started working at an early age to supplement his family's income." I think that covers it - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Request to add the Honorary Doctorate award from Carnegie Mellon University in the awards list.

Please add this to the awards: Honorary doctorate by Carnegie Mellon University. Awarded on Oct 17, 2007 https://www.cmu.edu/news/archive/2007/October/oct26_kalam.shtml Ruchi901 (talk) 16:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Done Thanks for pointing this out, along with the source. Abecedare (talk) 02:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Name in Tamil

Could someone add Dr. Kalam's full name in the Tamil script. ThanksBodha2 (talk) 16:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• We don't normally add indic scripts on English Wikipedia. See WP:INDICSCRIPT. 117.192.185.65 (talk) 17:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry my mistake. The indic text I remember seeing on English wiki pages were not on people. Again my mistake.Bodha2 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Please correct the name which is half tamil and half english now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.22.143 (talk) 22:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

Please include "at the age of 83" in last para. 14.96.40.22 (talk) 17:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Done as requested. Abecedare (talk) 02:35, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Uncertain Death

He died on July 27, at Shillong at 7.55pm.He was caught by heart attack. Leaving veil of tears.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

Under - 'Career as scientist'

Kalam was invited by Raja Ramanna to witness the country's first nuclear test Smiling Buddha as the representative of TBRL, even though he had not participated in the its development.

Edit: Kalam was invited by Raja Ramanna to witness the country's first nuclear test Smiling Buddha as the representative of TBRL, even though he had not participated in its* development.

Mayank0panchal (talk) 17:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mayank0panchal: I see that someone has already made the correction. Thanks for pointing it out. Abecedare (talk) 02:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

the picture of Dr APJ Abdul Kalam is not a good one.

I suggest you to add a better picture of my people's president who is a pride of my nation.

http://pib.nic.in/photo//l-images/l2004081403.jpg The President Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam addressing the Nation on the eve of the Independence Day in New Delhi on August 14, 2004 (Saturday).

I pic in the above link seem to be a perfect choice.

Vimal sampath (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Unfortunately we are prevented by wikipedia policy from using non-freely licensed images as long as free ones are available. So unless you or someone can show that the image you linked to has been released under a compatible license, we cannot use it on wikipedia. Abecedare (talk) 02:40, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

On his death on 27th July, 2015 following lines by an Urdu Poet is a real tribute to him.

गिरियाँ चमन ये जिसके बिन, तुझको है मेरा ओ गुल सलाम

बिल्लौर मसीहा उरूज-ए-हिंद, हुबूत-ए-तारिक अब्दुल कलाम

Giriyaan chaman ye jiske bin,tujhko hai mera O gul salam

Billaur messiah urooj-e-hind, huboot-e-taarik Abdul kalam

© Anwar Jamal बरबर गाज़ीपुरी Toughjamy123 (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Thanks for the suggestion, but such tributes are not useful in an encyclopedic article. Abecedare (talk) 02:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Religion

Could someone add a section on his personal life and religious views? 42.107.175.154 (talk) 19:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

This content can be included in the section. Please improve if someone felt inclined.

Although born into a devout Muslim family, Kalam was also influenced by Hindu philosophy and Bhagavad Gita. He lead a humble life and preferred vegetarian food. Many of his friends have testified to the fact that he never offered prayers during namaz nor fast during Ramzan.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.107.175.154 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Thanks for the suggestion, but Rafiq Zakaria's opinion of whether Kalam does or doesn't count as a Muslim is not worth noting in Kalam's biography. If you can find a source in which Kalam self-declares his religious affiliations, or scholarly analysis of his religious beliefs, we could consider citing those. Abecedare (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2015

Please change the piece of text "Kalam's 79th birthday was recognised as World Student Day by the United Nations" to "The rumor of UNO declaring Dr. Kalam's Birthday as World Student Day is not true as UNO's official website does not recognize it there." because this is a well spread rumor on Social Media. Kydroxen (talk) 10:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

On this topic, note that source that was used to underline this piece of information in the article is not accessible any more. --Drat70 (talk) 03:34, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

References

 Done Removed the line altogether. --Drat70 (talk) 00:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2015

he was died at 6;35 P.M

183.87.225.47 (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2015

His religion is was and always will be science.

203.125.73.250 (talk) 02:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2015

http://abdulkalamvision.blogspot.in/. This is a community blog where everyone can share their dream in memory of A P J Abdul Kalam. Users are allowed to share their dreams and the community of the blog which is a group of professionals and students including streams of Engineering, Arts, Medical and Management.

Kinlewiki (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia is not a memorial. Cannolis (talk) 12:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2015

223.176.15.136 (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

• No request. —SpacemanSpiff 15:12, 29 July 2015 (UTC)