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needs-jctint[edit]

I just converted the table to use {{TNint}}, yet the banner said it didn't need to be converted because |need-jctint=no was incorrectly set.

In any case, the junction list needs location information, mileposts and some copy editing to make sure that the formating in {{jct}} is correct. I trust that someone familiar with the area can handle that. I can assist with the technical side of things though. Imzadi 1979 → 19:23, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm familiar with the area, but the problem is, this made up of different numbered highways, and is rarely referred to by them. The entire loop is simply referred to as "APD-40."Bmag32 (talk) 02:09, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Bmag32: that may be, but the table needs the locations added. For example, is the I-75 interchange within the boundaries of a city or village? If so, that city or village should appear in the location column. If this roadway passes through multiple counties, a County column is needed. M-553 (Michigan highway)#Major intersections shows a high-quality, single-county junction list, and M-6 shows another high-quality junction list for a highway in multiple counties. (Just ignore the exit column for M-6.) Mileposts should be given showing the distances along the highway as well. Imzadi 1979 → 03:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some map references, if that helps.75.138.44.170 (talk) 16:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The one allowed me to insert the missing locations, however we still need to add the missing mileposts. Imzadi 1979 → 19:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And citations for the history. What I wrote came from old copies of newspapers I own, and I have displaced them since and have not yet been able to find them on Google News. But I am still looking. The mileposts will be difficult to find, but they might could be found by measurements on the Google Maps source.Bmag32 (talk) 05:55, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I just did that.24.107.255.80 (talk) 22:48, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but what's the 40?[edit]

Appalachian corridors are lettered, not numbered. What's the 40 supposed to represent? If it's named after State Route 40, why doesn't it follow that route to the North Carolina line? --NE2 18:17, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is the name of a highway that is part of corridor K, not the entire corridor. In fact the TN-60 section of the road isn't even part of the Appalachian Highway system at all; it just takes that name because it was built about the same time. There's not much out there about the history of this road. The "40" may have something to do with SR-40, but it seems I read somewhere that it stands for "Appalachian Development #40." This article needs additional citations, maybe some newspaper articles from Google News.Bmag32 (talk) 02:09, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still looking but couldn't find anything on Google News yet.75.138.44.170 (talk) 16:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I just did that.24.107.255.80 (talk) 22:48, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Where does http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/projectplanning/studies/APD40IJSBRADLEYCOReportwithAppendix.pdf support the facts being cited (I-75 to South Lee Highway was built in 1968, and the original plan ending at US 64, with SR 60 moving)? --NE2 23:13, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the link you added ("Appalachian Highway Finally Completed, After Six Long Years") is broken. --NE2 23:17, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Figured it out: according to the US Geological Survey, the first section was originally signed as part of State Route 40 and remained that way for at least a few years. 146.229.240.200 (talk) 09:34, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does the secondary part of SR 311 still exist?[edit]

http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/maps/city/Cleveland.PDF shows SR 311 leaving the bypass onto Dalton Pike to end as SR 74. It doesn't appear to be signed, but that doesn't mean it no longer exists. --NE2 16:26, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Dates[edit]

According to USGS maps, the first section of APD-40, located between I-75 and US 11/64, may have been in existence as early as 1965. However, that's not consistent with the dates engraved on the rails of the bridge over South Lee Highway, even though that may not have been built with that section. I wish I had seen the date on the old bridge over I-75 before it was demolished. All of the dates in the article are consistent with the dates on the bridges. The 1965 date also seems unlikely because I seem to remember a Cleveland map I own from 1968-69 that seems to show it being under construction then, and its unlikely it would have taken 3-4 years to build that short section. However, the USGS I think is sometimes known to include routes that are proposed or under construction as complete. It certainly appears to have done that in its relief map from 1970, saying I-75 was complete through all of Tennessee, when that's totally inconsistent with other maps I own.146.229.240.200 (talk) 07:57, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update: 1965 is around the time I-75 was built between Chattanooga and exit 25 (SR 60 interchange) - that's what the dates engraved on the bridges say. Also, the Humphrey Bridge road bridge over APD-40 between I-75 and S. Lee Hwy. appears to have been built in 1965, even though it may have existed before or been built in preparation for APD-40. I don't think it would have been built by the state. 146.229.240.200 (talk) 08:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Designations[edit]

An IP user keeps removing and replacing the SR 60 designation with SR 311 in the infobox. It should be noted that SR 311 is a state designation for part of the signed US 64 Bypass segment (see Tennessee State Route System), is unsigned, and is therefore insignificant. The SR 60 designation is more important, as a segment of the route known as APD-40 is signed entirely as SR-60, nothing else. This article is about the route containing both designations, not just the US 64 Byp/SR-311 segment. The fact that "every other article on Wikipedia" has it is irrelevant, and, in this case, a straw man.Bneu2013 (talk) 02:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Map[edit]

Could someone who is more experienced with maps find a way to replace the bad image that is currently in the infobox with the KML file? It would also be nice if we could color code the US 64 Bypass and SR 60 segments, similar to what is done for the Pellissippi Parkway map. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 06:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: - thanks for the review! I believe I've addressed all of your comments so far. Bneu2013 (talk) 07:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still need to do source and image checking. Curious @Bneu2013 as to how you got Cleveland paper. Chattanooga is one of the largest markets I haven't even written a DYK into because its paper availability is so spotty. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I now saw your remark at the bottom. Chattanooga has some TV stations that might be interesting material to write if you ever want to collaborate. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am very familiar with the Chattanooga TV stations, and I would like to see their articles improved. I see you have also nominated one of the Memphis stations for GA, and I'll try to take a look at it as soon as I can. Bneu2013 (talk) 08:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sammi Brie: - I accessed the archives in person at the Cleveland/Bradley County Public Library. They are also available at the Tennessee State Library and Archives. Full disclosure: Cleveland, TN is my hometown, and I actually have some personal knowledge about this road. My grandfather was friends with the road superintendent who requested the change at the Varnell intersection, and I know a few people whose homes were taken for this road. That's how I knew the approximate dates to look for. I was also personally a strong opponent of the new interchange and the industrial park that it serves. Bneu2013 (talk) 08:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correction - Sorry, I must have had the city confused. Bneu2013 (talk) 08:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had WLMT up, but right now I have no Tennessee stations at GAN. I do have stations pending in Arkansas, Alabama, North Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky if you want to review something one state over. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Copy issues have all been fixed, and sourcing looks good. Only question is if that very confusing map can be fixed. It doesn't seem to adequately convey the actual delimitations of the 64 Byp. and 60 designations. Holding. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: - I agree, I would like to see it replaced with a .map file, but I don't know how to do this. I will submit a request at WT:USRD. Bneu2013 (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just handled the map issue and will pass this nomination. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes[edit]

Lead[edit]

  • The route takes its name from its part of Corridor K of the Appalachian Development Highway System, and is sometimes called Appalachian Highway or simply the Cleveland Bypass. Remove comma. First of many WP:CINS issues.
    •  Done
  • The route is also designated as Veterans Memorial Highway. The US 64 Byp. section of the road is also multiplexed with unsigned State Route 311 (SR 311) and US 74. A lot of "also"s.
  • The road is a four-lane divided highway its entire length and parts are controlled-access. The bypass is an east-west route and the state route is a north-south. Each of these sentences needs a comma added before "and".
    •  Done

Route description[edit]

  • Beginning as controlled-access, it rounds a minor curve to the southeast and enters a long straightaway on the edge of the city limits of Cleveland, and comes to an interchange first with the Cherokee Gateway and then US 11/US 64 (South Lee Highway) approximately 1.5 miles (2.4 km) later. Split this sentence after "city limits of Cleveland".
    •  Done
  • It then crosses Lead Mine Ridge, junctions at an interchange with Blue Springs Road, a connector to Red Clay State Historic Park in southern Bradley County, and crosses another Norfolk Southern railroad. A list entry with a comma requires semicolons to delimit the list. It then crosses Lead Mine Ridge; junctions at an interchange with Blue Springs Road, a connector to Red Clay State Historic Park in southern Bradley County; and crosses another Norfolk Southern railroad.
    •  Fixed
  • The road intersects with US 11 (Ocoee Street) about 1/2 mile (0.80 km) later, and I-75 a few miles beyond this point, continuing north eventually to Dayton Remove the first comma.
    •  Done

History[edit]

  • The initial plans for I-75 in Cleveland included two interchanges; one with a connector to US 11/64 southwest of the city and another with SR 60 to near what was then the northwestern city limits. That should be a semicolon. Remove "to" after "60"
    •  Done - if I'm not mistaken, you are saying to leave the existing semicolon? Bneu2013 (talk) 07:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I meant to say that should be a colon. Oops. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Fixed
  • with the former an entirely new road, and the latter a widening and relocation of SR 60 Remove comma
    •  Done
  • A predecessor project to APD-40 was the construction of the four-lane alignment of SR 60 (25th Street) from north of I-75 to the US 11 Bypass (Keith Street) between 1963 and 1965, and the widening of 25th Street between the US 11 Bypass and US 11 (Ocoee Street) from 1968 to 1969. That's two projects. Two projects preceded APD-40: the construction four-lane alignment of SR 60 (25th Street) from north of I-75 to the US 11 Bypass (Keith Street) between 1963 and 1965 and the widening of 25th Street between the US 11 Bypass and US 11 (Ocoee Street) from 1968 to 1969.
    •  Fixed
  • These residents had argued the shift would be more beneficial to their communities, and believed that the proposed location was impractical since it was in an area that was sparsely populated at the time Remove comma
    •  Done
  • extension of to US 64 typo
    •  Fixed
  • The interchange continued to see frequent accidents, and in 1985, was improved in a project that constructed new turn lanes and added a traffic signal. Some commas need reordering. The interchange continued to see frequent accidents and, in 1985, was improved in a project that constructed new turn lanes and added a traffic signal.
    •  Done - also fixed an inaccuracy - this is an intersection, not an interchange. Bneu2013 (talk) 07:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The original route narrowed at the interchange, and crossed the Interstate on a two-lane bridge, which had come to experience backups at nearly all times during the day. Remove the first comma.
    •  Done
    • Without a number, should it be "the Interstate" or "the interstate"? I'd think the latter.
  • ...past the interchange with I-75 and went directly to downtown, but was moved to 25th Street NW in the mid-1960s after being widened, and the section of APD-40 to US 64 after opening. These commas do not belong, but the sentence is too long otherwise. SR 60 originally turned south about 1⁄4 mile (400 m) past the interchange with I-75 and went directly to downtown; it was moved to 25th Street NW in the mid-1960s after that road was widened and again to the section of APD-40 to US 64 after opening.
    •  Fixed - please let me know what you think of my changes. Bneu2013 (talk) 07:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In September 2018, the I-75 interchange was named the "Representative Kevin Brooks Interchange" after a long time state representative who succeeded Rowland as mayor of Cleveland. As an adjective, "longtime" is one word.
    •  Fixed

Sourcing and spot checks[edit]

  • 7: This covers the route description, which presumably would have been based on the map. checkY
  • 9: Page 1 mentions the need for diversion around central Cleveland. The cover page lists the approval date of December 20, 1971, for the EIS. Page 2 also mentions "the proposed State Route 60 Bypass". checkY
  • 18: AGF on this offline newspaper source.
  • 22: AGF on this offline newspaper source.
  • 27: AGF on this offline newspaper source.
  • 38: “There is a lot of confusion that the Harriman Road connection is tied directly to the industrial park,” Farlow said. “The connection to Harriman Road is because of the interchange that is being built on APD 40 and TDOT’s requirement that you have local interstate connectors that have to connect to certain roads.” The new interchange is being built to open up the southeast quadrant of APD 40 and Interstate 75 to commercial development. The local interstate connector road is needed to gain more access to the industrial park, but not to Harriman Road. This checks out. (Thanks NewsBank) checkY

Unfortunately, Cleveland Daily Banner articles from before 1998 are not available online. I had to personally access these on microfilm at a library (and was lucky to find them). I've added a paywalled link to citation 38, as I could not find an archived url for it. Citation 7 is available online, and I'm not sure what the issue is with citation 9. Bneu2013 (talk) 07:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • 9 works. The numbers were random selections for spot checks. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    FYI, in case you are curious, someone posted a copy of citation 24 in this Facebook group a while back (I don't know if you're able to access or not), although they got the date wrong by a week. Bneu2013 (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

The images are fine, except for the map, which while correctly licensed is frankly confusing. The overlap is a lot simpler than conveyed here. Is there a way to replace the map image with a KML or more useful or accurate map? Encouragement: Add alt text.

I have submitted a request to replace the map with [Data:APD-40.map, as I do not know how to do this myself. Bneu2013 (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Launchballer talk 07:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Bneu2013 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/APD-40; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

  • The currently-proposed hook doesn't seem likely to attract readers due to being reliant on specialist knowledge. Meaning, unless someone was a highway buff, they might not be enticed to read the article or appreciate the hook. My suggestion would be to propose additional hooks if possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: - Okay, I think I understand where you're coming from. My rationale for this hook deals more with the fact that this is an unusual name for a highway, even one that this part of the Appalachian Development Highway System. Georgia State Route 515 is the only other ADHS highway that I could find any record of being commonly referred to as an "APD" highway, and even I am uncertain of how APD-40 became the common name for this road "although I do have a theory." I wish I could find a source that outright says this is an unusual name, even though I think that is pretty obvious. Bneu2013 (talk) 11:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bneu2013: In that case, do you have any possible suggestions? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bneu2013: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 19:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Siniard, Tim (November 20, 2019). "APD-40 bypass ramps cause motorist nightmares". Cleveland Daily Banner. Cleveland, Tennessee. Archived from the original on November 20, 2019. Retrieved December 5, 2019.
Sorry for the delayed response. After further consideration, I don't think this article is the best candidate for DYK, compared to some of my other nominations, and as such, I would like to withdraw this nomination. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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