Talk:Aaron Frenkel
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Neutrality[edit]
I've edited the article, added references and deleted unnecessary and non-documented facts. The External links category was way too extensive. Yinonk (talk) 16:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
This page remains ludicrously biased, relying on dubious sources. A cleanup is necessary. --Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 19:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- What is questionable is to write about a well-known businessman, who is an 'arms dealer' and then come and complain on the talk page. You edit warring with anonymous in the namespace and both of you will be blocked. 2A01:6500:A036:2A2E:C57D:1E13:3550:AFF4 (talk) 20:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- These edits are certainly not acceptable on the English Wikipedia, they go beyond what can be attributed to the source provided.
- I warned the user on their talk page, feel free to revert their edits if they continue with this behavior. 2A01:6500:A051:4891:84A0:9E22:2910:4954 (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not understand why his widely reported association to Vladimir Putin has been removed. It is a matter of public knowledge. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 06:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll explain briefly (even though you seem goal oriented): The claims about an individual connection with Vladimir Putin are also naive. As part of his very important role in the World Jewish Congress, he maintains contact with heads of state wherever there are Jews (including outright enemies of Putin's), so insisting on the "sources" in this context is at best 'cherry-picking' which is not a good recipe for writing a neutral and balanced encyclopedia. 2A01:6500:A051:4891:84A0:9E22:29DF:7CF8 (talk) 13:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply and the additional context. I have included in the philanthropic section that he has worked to further Jewish cultural causes internationally, reflecting this. I believe it is still noteworthy to include the section on Putin, as Frenkel received an award from Putin, and, as IntelligenceOnline reported, connected a major aircraft manufacturer with Moscow. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 14:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- The information about the award he received from Putin should be mentioned in the section on the awards he has received, and the one granting the award is not the individual Putin but rather the 'President of the Russian Federation', of course. Unless we choose based on ulterior motives to tie him to Putin... that's not fair. 2A01:6500:A051:4891:84A0:9E22:2928:2FE0 (talk) 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not understand why it is claimed I have "ulterior motives", when every point has been well-sourced, with sources which have interviewed Frenkel in the past. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 15:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently they claim that, because it was important to you to push the term 'arms dealer' and you didn't rest until you tried to insert it into the article about his wife as well... considering that all your contributions are focused on this topic. Well, that is very strange. 164.138.124.64 (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is for editorial consistency. These points have been added using reliable sources. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are giving too much weight to journalistic sources even regarding seemingly trivial facts, which the press tends to gather from Wikipedia without verification. 2A06:C701:4B98:2900:88A1:3A2E:43B1:D739 (talk) 20:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- These are sources which had interviewed Frenkel directly. We have to use reliable sources, as per Wikipedia's own guidelines. I don't know whether you're a PR Agent of his - but this information you're providing can't be found anywhere else. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 05:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- This source mentions that Frenkel owns UVision, a company involved in the marketing and manufacturing of drones, munitions and other weapons. Why is this being excluded? Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 07:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- These are sources which had interviewed Frenkel directly. We have to use reliable sources, as per Wikipedia's own guidelines. I don't know whether you're a PR Agent of his - but this information you're providing can't be found anywhere else. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 05:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are giving too much weight to journalistic sources even regarding seemingly trivial facts, which the press tends to gather from Wikipedia without verification. 2A06:C701:4B98:2900:88A1:3A2E:43B1:D739 (talk) 20:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is for editorial consistency. These points have been added using reliable sources. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently they claim that, because it was important to you to push the term 'arms dealer' and you didn't rest until you tried to insert it into the article about his wife as well... considering that all your contributions are focused on this topic. Well, that is very strange. 164.138.124.64 (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not understand why it is claimed I have "ulterior motives", when every point has been well-sourced, with sources which have interviewed Frenkel in the past. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 15:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- The information about the award he received from Putin should be mentioned in the section on the awards he has received, and the one granting the award is not the individual Putin but rather the 'President of the Russian Federation', of course. Unless we choose based on ulterior motives to tie him to Putin... that's not fair. 2A01:6500:A051:4891:84A0:9E22:2928:2FE0 (talk) 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply and the additional context. I have included in the philanthropic section that he has worked to further Jewish cultural causes internationally, reflecting this. I believe it is still noteworthy to include the section on Putin, as Frenkel received an award from Putin, and, as IntelligenceOnline reported, connected a major aircraft manufacturer with Moscow. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 14:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll explain briefly (even though you seem goal oriented): The claims about an individual connection with Vladimir Putin are also naive. As part of his very important role in the World Jewish Congress, he maintains contact with heads of state wherever there are Jews (including outright enemies of Putin's), so insisting on the "sources" in this context is at best 'cherry-picking' which is not a good recipe for writing a neutral and balanced encyclopedia. 2A01:6500:A051:4891:84A0:9E22:29DF:7CF8 (talk) 13:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not understand why his widely reported association to Vladimir Putin has been removed. It is a matter of public knowledge. Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 06:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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PR agent[edit]
One or more PR agents saying that they are acting on behalf of Aaron Frenkel are continuing to want changes to this article, including the removal of the paid editing tag which was added to the article in response to the edits by User:Yinonk. One of the editors has been told at User talk:Am 360#August 2017 that the place for any discussion is here on the article talk page, but he apparently doesn't want to listen, and he or his PR colleagues keep sending emails. Other editors will no doubt treat any requests on their merits. See also User talk:Yinonk#Trying to hire someone to remove tags. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
The advice to ask here on the article talk page had also been given to User:Am 360 at [[WP:Help desk/Archives/2017 August 14#removing {{UDP|date=August 2017}}]]. It may, of course be that the editor, who apparently is a native Hebrew speaker, doesn't understand English well enough to comprehend the advice which he has been given. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:11, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Description as an Arms Dealer[edit]
I'd like to create a new topic surrounding this, due to the obvious contention and disputes regarding the description. Frenkel has been described as an arms dealer by several sources. He has also been noted for his involvement in the arms industry as a middle-man, and owns companies involved in the production of drones and missiles. I don't see why this should be left out? Ravenofpoe1 (talk) 08:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)