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On 22 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Abdullah El Tell. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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This is most of what I have found. I am very concious that all the sources are unsympathetic to his cause.Padres Hana (talk) 00:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty certain that Abdullah el Tell is dead. Padres Hana (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Quarter[edit]

The article quotes him saying to Russnak "If I had know you were so few we would have come after you with sticks, not guns.", with the citation Collins/Lapierre, p. 498, adding "Dov Joseph, p. 174. Though he starts the quote "You dogs..." ". The relevant passage there is "When the Legion troops" saw only forty soldiers and a pitiful collection of weapons, one of them exclaimed, “You dogs! If we had known this, we would have marched in with sticks in our hands!” which though with the same idea doesn't ascribe it to anyone specific, and not necessarily El Tell. Mcljlm (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Though the article is entitled Abdullah Tal he is referred to in the first line as Abdullah El Tell and afterwards only as El Tell. That doesn't seem logical. Mcljlm (talk) 01:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 December 2022[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:10, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah Tal → Abdullah El Tell – While the article has the title Abdullah Tal, all references to this Jordanian military commander in the article refer to Abdullah El Tell (including the info box). Chewings72 (talk) 06:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:11, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. In this case, the problem is not the title but the article body; the article used "Tal" until a user indiscriminately replaced all instances of the string "tal" with "El Tell" in 2020. It's hard to determine exactly what the WP:COMMONNAME is for this figure – Ngrams seems to prefer "Abdullah Tal", whereas Google Scholar suggests either "Abdullah al-Tal" or "Abdullah al-Tall" – but I don't see a strong case for "El Tell". My inclination is to retain the current title unless we hear otherwise from someone well versed in the area. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Al-Tal is the most common usage in sources, for Wasfi Tal, the most prominent member of that family. I chose Tal for brevity, and dropped the redundant Al-. Makeandtoss (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense to me! In that case, Tal is likely the best choice for here too. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 20:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: To form a clearer consensus echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:11, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Correct?[edit]

Presently, the aticle states:

"He had four brothers. Ahmad Youssef Al Tal, Wasfi Tal, Said Tal & Hasan Tal"

Is this correct? If Wasfi Tal was his brother, then (presumably) Mustafa Wahbi Tal was his father -but I don't get this to fit. Wasfi Tal was supposed to be the eldest son, but Abdullah Tal was older. User:Makeandtoss; do you know? Huldra (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]