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Removed the statement "The property is now owned by the Gwrych Castle Trust." see the Gwrych Castle Trust web page [1] for further clarification.

[[Famous people from Abergele include Lisa Scott-Lee of Steps who went to school at Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan, and Geraint Archer, member of the REME in the army, who also attended Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan. Approximately 29% of Abergele has a significant knowledge of Welsh, but the town has a large population of people from England, namely Manchester and Liverpool. Famous DJ, Daniel Jones , who came to fame on Denbigh Radio, attended local school Emrys ap Iwan. He was diagnosed with depression in late 2006 when his girlfriend, local stripper from denbigh had been caught with local playboy, Simon Jones-]]

Is all of this relevant? Surely the local language situation belongs elsewhere in the article. I can possibly see why Lisa Scott Lee is mentioned, but who are the others? Why should anyone care? I live in the town and I have never heard of them.

YES THIS IS RELEVANT!!! I MAY NOT BE FAMOUS TO YOU BUT I AM TO OTHER PEOPLE, I AM WELL KNOWN IN THE DENBIGH AREA, AND RECENTLY BEEN IN THE LOCAL PAPERS, SO IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU! BY DANIEL JONES! PEACE OUT! Regarding the above: By no means! I am afraid that you will have to do better than that.

The article claims "....most of the Romans that came to Britain did not come from Italy rather from other parts of the empire such as North Africa, the Middle East and eastern europe". The import of that statement is that E3b was not found among the Roman population. This is highly doubtful if not plainly wrong. It should be corrected to say just the opposite. E3b1 (alpha cluster) has an age exceeding 6,000 years before present and could potentially be much older. It is not found in the middle east or north Africa. Its highest concentration in modern times is southeastern Europe, across the Adriatic from the Italian peninsula. One in four Greeks are E3b1 and these were the same people who populated nearly half of the Italian peninsula and Sicily in the first milenium BCE. The chances are great e3b represented a sizable percentage of Romans before, during and after the empire. According to the latest research by Professor Cruciani and others, the majority of e3b in Abergele are also E3b1 (alpha cluster).

OK add that to the article, stephen oppenheimer in his new book Origins of the British claims the e3b in Abergele came from Southern Spain or even Galicia during the neolithic 4000 years ago due to a heavy neolithic mining presence from spain and that there is archeological evidence to prove it.

Perhaps we should quote stephen oppenheimer and cite the theory you mentioned with evidence.


Fulvio Cruciani (2007) has determined that the most likely clade for this Abergele group E3b1a2 (V13), from the Balkans, is about 4500 years old, so it could not have arrived during the Neolithic as projected by Oppenheimer. This theory is already dead, just three months after its publication. It is certainly not Spanish (that would be E-M81/Berber, not E-V13), since V13 is linked exclusively to the Balkans.

The bigger problem is the very small sample of just 18 (of which 7 were E3b) taken by Weale et al. Oppenheimer bases some awfully big assumptions on these 7 individuals, four of whom are essentially identical and probably are from the same ancestor. The truth is that the sample was simply too small to draw any meaningful conclusion.24.117.251.78 22:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is E-V13 referred to as "North African" on this page? Are the Balkans or Anatolia considered to be North Africa now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.212.191 (talk) 17:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why the multiple paragraphs on bloodlines in the head section?[edit]

Seems to me like if this is important enough to include in an article about the town, it should have a subsection, not be included in the header paragraph of the article. But I'm no expert, just a browser. 66.202.22.81 (talk) 19:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

E-V13 is not found in Africa except in tiny numbers. It arose either in Anatolia, the middle east or Europe somewhere between six and seventeen thousand years ago, depending on whose mathematical calculations are followed. It is found throughout Western Europe at a relatively low frequency, including Iberia where several studies have concluded it is seen in the range of from 4% to 6%. Grandcross (talk) 06:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)grandcross[reply]

The bloodlines argument would benefit from

  • some mention of evidence of Roman military presence in the area (presumably Dinorben)
  • some mention of evidence that Thracians were involved; a Thracian in Malpas is not much evidence for lots of them in Abergele

(Not an issue for the Abergele article, but would it not be a better test of the theory to see if there are high levels of the marker gene where Thracian units are known to have been (for example Gabrosentum,near Whitehaven is known to have had a cohort of them) rather than look for reasons Thracians might have been posted to places where there are high levels of the gene today?)Rjccumbria (talk) 00:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Railway disaster[edit]

Given there is a linked article about the crash presumably a summary is all that is needed in this article rather than detail?SovalValtos (talk) 11:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Have trimmed it down. Not needed here. Could probably be trimmed further, but needs some sources as there are currently none. 86.187.236.186 (talk) 17:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How can you justify removing critical detail on such an important event and remove references to it?, you mentioned; 'needs some sources as there are currently none', that's because you removed them, also, your userpage has suspicious activity, being blocked twice within a week in 2022. Hogyncymru (talk) 19:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's fully justified, as it's simply wasteful duplication. Suspicious activity in 2022? LMFAO. You know how dynamic IPs work, yes? Stopping OWNING anything Welsh, please.86.187.163.215 (talk) 20:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I know how Owning works, to tell people to stop editing on specific topics is bewildering, please behave. Hogyncymru (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, the details I added gives an insightful and adequate amount of information covering the event, removing and expecting others to follow up the info won't be the norm of the average reader. Hogyncymru (talk) 19:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's hopeless duplication. The crash has its own article. 86.187.163.215 (talk) 20:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After analysing the section, I removed a significant amount of content to keep enough details to summarise the event Hogyncymru (talk) 22:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that the quote box provides "details to summarise the event". What do you think SovalValtos? 86.187.236.115 (talk) 06:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article gets a moderate number of page views but this talk page very few. I suggest waiting a few days for other editors' input here before an attempt is made to summarise. A summary/precis is what is needed, hence a re-write rather a selection of existing text. The report to the Board of Trade used in the linked article may suffice for referencing.SovalValtos (talk) 09:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Having waited several days I have proceded in making the summary.SovalValtos (talk) 07:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People[edit]

Gintis https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-10-greatest-platonic-love-song-ever/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb: The band from Abergele sing of a rough summer, but they also make it clear that the hardship was softened thanks to firm friends. 94.126.214.24 (talk) 19:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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