Talk:Abu Yahya al-Libi

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Merge?[edit]

  • I dunno if Abu Yahia al-Libi and Hasan Qayad are the same individual, or, if they are which name should be the main name of the merged article. Geo Swan (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hasan Qayad seems like more of a "personal name" and the one the US Military seems to use, while Abu Yahia is a patronomyl name with his "al-Libi" designation ("The Libyan"), so I'd favour putting the merged article at Hasan Qayad. Cheers. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 02:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suppport merge - this needs to be done. AWT (talk) 13:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Hassan Qaid (which is a better rendering than Qayad) is Abu Yahya's real name, according to his buddies in al-Qa'ida.

حسن قايد Hassan Qaid

His brother Abdul-Wahhab Qaid alias Abu Idris is also a bigshot in LIFG.

The articles should be merged, I'm sure. LDH (talk) 09:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed section of capture in Pakistan on Sunday March 7, 2010[edit]

There are no reports that Abu Yahya al-Libi (note the al-libi) was captured in Karachi on Sunday March 7, 2010. The similarly named American (not Libyan) Abu Yahya Mujahdeen Al-Adam was reported by the New York Times in [1] to have been captured. In fact this name probably is Abu Yahya Mujahdeen Al-Azam. Assuming this is al-Libi is incorrect. The cite you provided from Dawn (mangled as it was) actually says he is an American and give that same full name too [2]. You need a cite that says it is Abu Yahya al-Libi (not any person named Abu Yahya). Kevin Purcell (talk) 00:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. I notice that this individual, like the American, is described as the producer of propaganda videos. I wonder how much confusion there has been over which Abu Yahya produced which videos.
If I am not mistaken "Abu Yahya" means "father of Yahya".
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 01:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

explanation[edit]

I reverted this edit, which had the edit summary: "Are you sure that's the right guy? His skin is a lot lighter."

As per WP:VER truth is not our concern -- verifiability is our concern. The image is referenced to this document. Go to page 26. An WP:RS says this is an image of Abu Yahya al-Libi. American intelligence officials have mis-identified some suspects. But we are not WP:RS. It is not our job to correct WP:RS based on our own personal judgment. Geo Swan (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? That document doesn't even show the picture. Also, truth and verifiability are the same thing. Check out these three links. They prove that the picture shown is not al-Libi.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=omar_al-faruq
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/07/senior_al_qaeda_comm.php
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11785025&Itemid=361
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.204.44 (talk) 15:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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al-Libi was / is the only black skinned leader of Al Qaeda, and has / had an egalitarian political view..[edit]

Al Libi was (assuming the june 4th 2012 drone killed him) a Libyan with black skinned ancestors, the only one from Africa to rise to Al Qaeda's top rank. His political outlook was that under Islam, all people (at least all men) are equal, and that feudalism and racial prejudgement is therefore at odds with Islam. Which made him a top ace in attracting people from disenfranchised communities, like black people in northern Africa, and low cast people in the highly feudal regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan. For that reason, (contrary to Bin Laden) he also favored Somalia's Al Shabaab, who are the only Somali militia who have significant numbers of Bantu-Africans in their ranks, and even in their leadership.

Al Qaeda faces as a political problem, that from their Saudi roots they have inherited this Salafist anti racial and anti feudal, leftist egalitarian outlook. Which works as a strong recruiting tool to underprivileged people, but which also lands them trouble with the conservative leaders of potential allies (often from high ranking feudal families) in anti government militia like Taliban, MNLA Tuaregs in Mali and the tribal militia's in Libya and Yemen.

The death of Al Libya (if true) might make Al Qaeda's relations with the Taliban easier, who planned to throw them out of Afghanistan as soon as US had fully withdrawn, precisely because under Al Libi, they uprooted the social system, recruiting over ethnic cleavages from low cast Taliban 'subjects'. (And because Al Qaeda tends to attract drones.)

Can this info be somehow useful to help give some political color to Al Libi? (I know, very little sources apart from weird stuff on extremist websites in Arabic, Somali and Pashtu)Pieter Felix Smit (talk) 05:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name confusion explained..[edit]

Abu Yahya al-Libi is basically the same name as (Abu) Yunis al Sahrawi, with Sahrawi being a more precise reference to where he came from: southern (black majority) Libya. These are self chosen names, while before adopting Saudi style Islam, likely his given name was Hassan Qayad al-Far. Often, Muslims, especially from north Africa, joining a Salafist fighting group, take up a new name, rejecting the often feudal Malikite system in which their previous name was given. Reason: the naming system in tribal North-African society ties you to a family and a (sub)clan, obliging you to hold tribal and family loyalty above everything else. Often , black people are given names not after their biological parents, but after the (former) owners of their parents. Rejecting this system is core business for Salafist Islam, more so for someone from southern Libya.Pieter Felix Smit (talk) 07:59, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2014[edit]

The terminology on this article "Islamist terrorist" may be excluded as there is no such thing exists. A terrorist is terrorist, regardless of a religion. 39.41.225.15 (talk) 13:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done A horse is a horse, regardless of colour, but it does not follow that no such thing as a brown horse exists. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:48, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Given his nationality the use of MM/DD/YYYY contravenes Wikipedia's guidelines. Would someone change them to the appropriate DD/MM/YYYY? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:8E90:AE01:39A1:FE5D:627D:C8B9 (talk) 12:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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