Talk:Ace in the Hole Band

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ace in the Hole (band)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: AJona1992 (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

General notes

Background

"The origins of the Ace in the Hole go back to the band "Stoney Ridge," which was composed of Southwest Texas State University (now Texas State University) students Ron Cabal (lead guitar), Mike Daily (steel guitar), Terry Hale (Bass guitar), Tommy Foote (drums) and Jay Dominguez (lead vocals). Dominguez and Foote left the band after graduating in 1975, prompting a search for a new singer." - source?

"The band regularly performed at Cheatham Street Warehouse in San Marcos, Texas, where they debuted on October 13, 1975 along with new member Ted Stubblefield, who replaced Foote as the drummer. Acts such as Asleep at the Wheel and Jerry Jeff Walker also played at the forum." - source?

"Drummer Foote returned to the lineup late in 1975" needs re-wording. Maybe something like this "Drummer Foote returned to the band in late 1975"?

"and the Strait-penned" - can you explain what this means?

"Bill Mabry was added to the lineup" - do you really have to say "lineup" why not "had joined the band" or equivalent?

"Strait re-recorded "Right or Wrong" in 1983 for his album Right or Wrong" - what about... Strait re-recorded "Right or Wrong" in 1983 for his album of the same name ?

"and took it to number one on the country charts" - needs re-wording. Maybe something like this... which peaked at number one on the country charts.

Final notes

The article seems ok to me, however, its very short. I'm going to ✗ Fail the nomination, until further development can be made. If there are books out there about them, try adding some information and sources to this article. Thirdly, this article needs more sources to verify claims. I had wrote down these notes while reading this article, when you have addressed the concerns I had stated, please first ask for a peer review. This can help at a better chance for a good article status. Thank you, AJona1992 (talk) 18:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

All information is sourced, read the sources. Also, if you don't understand what certain words mean, perhaps the issue is with you.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Not really, there are sentences without a single source. If one source is for all sentences then you should of cite them on the article, and not at the very end. AJona1992 (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Did you even look at the sources or read the article? Everything is sourced inline.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 18:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I read the article. Here is what you are not getting...

The origins of the Ace in the Hole go back to the band "Stoney Ridge," which was composed of Southwest Texas State University (now Texas State University) students Ron Cabal (lead guitar), Mike Daily (steel guitar), Terry Hale (Bass guitar), Tommy Foote (drums) and Jay Dominguez (lead vocals). Dominguez and Foote left the band after graduating in 1975, prompting a search for a new singer. The band members posted bulletins around the Southwest Texas campus, which were noticed by an interested George Strait, who at the time was an Agricultural science student. He contacted the band and was hired after an audition. Soon afterwards, the group was renamed "Ace in the Hole".

There is not sources, until the sentence of "The band members posted bulletins around the Southwest Texas campus". Where's the source before this to back up your claims? If that citation is for the entire section, then you should have added it to every period. AJona1992 (talk) 18:45, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Point to the style guideline that says every sentence must have a source at its end. The sources are provided for the preceding statements, there's no ambiguity unless you fail to read the sources or the article.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I was told this by numerous reviewers who challenged my articles. Here's for an example, Selena (a FA) and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dreaming of You (album)/archive1 one of my articles that failed FA and an editor told me subsequently that " you can multiple add the citations at the same time". Although these are/were FA articles, its no exception for a GA article, esp when it comes down to sources. AJona1992 (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

That's completely irrelevant to this article. What someone says in an FA review several months ago has naught to do with the community consensus on style. Please, before reviewing another article, read the Manual of Style and understand that as a reviewer you have the responsibility to actually read the article and all sources.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 19:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, your link does not support your argument.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 19:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Well can you give me examples of GA articles like yours then? I did read the entire article, if you didn't want to add the sources then that's not my fault. If you would like a reassessment then please start one. Thank you, AJona1992 (talk) 19:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

No, the sources are already there, you're now making false claims. If you want to see something I did the same way then read Roger Miller.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 19:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

There's no Wikipedia policy requiring a citation after every sentence, as long as it's clear what's being cited. That's the general consensus. The reviewer can bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations or Wikipedia talk:Verifiability if there's doubt about this. The only problematic paragraph I see in this article is the one beginning "In 1976, the father... ". The first footnote is mid-sentence. Is everything before the word "Jane" cited in Reference [1]? There should probably be an additional [1] before that sentence to make it clear. —Gendralman (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ace in the Hole (band)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 15:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Will review it in the next days

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   "often eluded the group due to the city's thirst for a more progressive sound" - this should be reworded. Too metaphorical

   Lead should be expanded (summarize the "Style" section, for example)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   References should be converted to {{cite web}} with accessdate, publisher, work, title

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Dabsolver check: ok
• Checklinks check: the first ref is dead
• Reflinks check: not ok
• Fixed dashes
• On hold not a bad article, but too small lead, methaporical grammar in "Style" and the references prevent to be listed.

Many thanks for the review. I am now working to implement the above suggestions.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 18:26, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

All the above suggestions have now been implemented in the article.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 19:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ace in the Hole (band)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: AJona1992 (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

General notes

Background

"The origins of the Ace in the Hole go back to the band "Stoney Ridge," which was composed of Southwest Texas State University (now Texas State University) students Ron Cabal (lead guitar), Mike Daily (steel guitar), Terry Hale (Bass guitar), Tommy Foote (drums) and Jay Dominguez (lead vocals). Dominguez and Foote left the band after graduating in 1975, prompting a search for a new singer." - source?

"The band regularly performed at Cheatham Street Warehouse in San Marcos, Texas, where they debuted on October 13, 1975 along with new member Ted Stubblefield, who replaced Foote as the drummer. Acts such as Asleep at the Wheel and Jerry Jeff Walker also played at the forum." - source?

"Drummer Foote returned to the lineup late in 1975" needs re-wording. Maybe something like this "Drummer Foote returned to the band in late 1975"?

"and the Strait-penned" - can you explain what this means?

"Bill Mabry was added to the lineup" - do you really have to say "lineup" why not "had joined the band" or equivalent?

"Strait re-recorded "Right or Wrong" in 1983 for his album Right or Wrong" - what about... Strait re-recorded "Right or Wrong" in 1983 for his album of the same name ?

"and took it to number one on the country charts" - needs re-wording. Maybe something like this... which peaked at number one on the country charts.

Final notes

The article seems ok to me, however, its very short. I'm going to ✗ Fail the nomination, until further development can be made. If there are books out there about them, try adding some information and sources to this article. Thirdly, this article needs more sources to verify claims. I had wrote down these notes while reading this article, when you have addressed the concerns I had stated, please first ask for a peer review. This can help at a better chance for a good article status. Thank you, AJona1992 (talk) 18:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

All information is sourced, read the sources. Also, if you don't understand what certain words mean, perhaps the issue is with you.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Not really, there are sentences without a single source. If one source is for all sentences then you should of cite them on the article, and not at the very end. AJona1992 (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Did you even look at the sources or read the article? Everything is sourced inline.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 18:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I read the article. Here is what you are not getting...

The origins of the Ace in the Hole go back to the band "Stoney Ridge," which was composed of Southwest Texas State University (now Texas State University) students Ron Cabal (lead guitar), Mike Daily (steel guitar), Terry Hale (Bass guitar), Tommy Foote (drums) and Jay Dominguez (lead vocals). Dominguez and Foote left the band after graduating in 1975, prompting a search for a new singer. The band members posted bulletins around the Southwest Texas campus, which were noticed by an interested George Strait, who at the time was an Agricultural science student. He contacted the band and was hired after an audition. Soon afterwards, the group was renamed "Ace in the Hole".

There is not sources, until the sentence of "The band members posted bulletins around the Southwest Texas campus". Where's the source before this to back up your claims? If that citation is for the entire section, then you should have added it to every period. AJona1992 (talk) 18:45, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Point to the style guideline that says every sentence must have a source at its end. The sources are provided for the preceding statements, there's no ambiguity unless you fail to read the sources or the article.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I was told this by numerous reviewers who challenged my articles. Here's for an example, Selena (a FA) and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dreaming of You (album)/archive1 one of my articles that failed FA and an editor told me subsequently that " you can multiple add the citations at the same time". Although these are/were FA articles, its no exception for a GA article, esp when it comes down to sources. AJona1992 (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

That's completely irrelevant to this article. What someone says in an FA review several months ago has naught to do with the community consensus on style. Please, before reviewing another article, read the Manual of Style and understand that as a reviewer you have the responsibility to actually read the article and all sources.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 19:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, your link does not support your argument.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 19:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Well can you give me examples of GA articles like yours then? I did read the entire article, if you didn't want to add the sources then that's not my fault. If you would like a reassessment then please start one. Thank you, AJona1992 (talk) 19:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

No, the sources are already there, you're now making false claims. If you want to see something I did the same way then read Roger Miller.--Lost Fugitive (talk) 19:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

There's no Wikipedia policy requiring a citation after every sentence, as long as it's clear what's being cited. That's the general consensus. The reviewer can bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations or Wikipedia talk:Verifiability if there's doubt about this. The only problematic paragraph I see in this article is the one beginning "In 1976, the father... ". The first footnote is mid-sentence. Is everything before the word "Jane" cited in Reference [1]? There should probably be an additional [1] before that sentence to make it clear. —Gendralman (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)