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With the use of the Dolphin???[edit]

What on earth is that supposed to mean? Or: When the king, against her ignited spite, Drove out of its throne as of its bed. I am afraid this article "to indicate a work expunge in order to be able to be put between all the hands." Jaucourt (talk) 05:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Racine and Greek authors because they were not really part of the Ad Usum Delphini series.[edit]

See this discussion for a possible origin of the error, which is in the French and German wikipedia pages on this topic too. https://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?t=63318

--Kenmayer (talk) 20:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Valpy's Ad Usum Delphini seems to be exactly modeled on the original[edit]

I am wondering what the source of this sentence in the current version is "[the Valpy series] shares little or nothing in common with the earlier, French series, notwithstanding the name." For Valpy the article cites one source, https://www.publishinghistory.com/delphin-classics-valpy.html, which in turn quotes one scholar as saying, "this ramshackle assembling of old and in many cases virtually obsolete material". The scholar is R.W. Lamb, in Annales Phaedriani, 1998, p. x, who is saying that the series did nothing BUT copy the original In Usum Delphini series, and add a more updated text.

[The editor of the Valpy series] brought the Delphin series up to date by using the most recent texts he could find (for Phaedrus, Schwabe's) with their prefaces and testimonia, while reproducing an updated version of the Bipontine bibliographies. This ramshackle assembling of old and in many cases virtually obsolete material had little original in it, apart from the occasional note by the editor, Dr. Dyer, but everything was printed in an uncritial fashion.

I will append a list of the 39 Valpy authors into the article, because it almost exactly mirrors the original list of 44 authors, with maybe one or two exceptions, and Valpy printed out the same material in more volumes. Kenmayer (talk) 15:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I traced which user added that sentence, and it was an anonymous user whose sole contributions were trolling and abuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/104.222.113.7 Kenmayer (talk) 19:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am comparing the first volume of Ovid in the original series and in the Valpy. The interpretatio (translation from poetry into prose Latin), notes, and vitae of Ovid at the beginning are identical. There's an added section of testimonia, but the Valpy series seems to be VERY MUCH the same thing as the original.Kenmayer (talk) 01:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons for later references[edit]

Many of the famous quotations mentioning "Ad usum delphini" assume everyone knows that the editors omitted a great deal of material from the original texts, on the grounds that it might be offensive. But the issue of heavy-handed expurgation as a defining characteristic of these works does not seem to be dealt with in the article in any real way. TooManyFingers (talk) 18:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]