Talk:Adlerhorst

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Correction[edit]

Hitler left Adlerhorst for East Prussia on January 16, 1945 to bolster the defenders, with the Russians having already reached Danzig.

This is incorrect, and I deleted it. Hitler left the Wolfsschanze in East Prussia for the last time on Nov. 20, 1944. After his sojourn at the Adlerhorst HQ, he spent the residue of his life in the Reich Chancellery and its famous underground bunker in Berlin. Furthermore, the Soviets didn't conquer Danzig (now Gdańsk) until March 30, 1945. Sca (talk) 03:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect location[edit]

Both this article and the Kransberg Castle article list that as being the location of the Adlerhorst. However, the Adlerhorst was actually located around Schloß Ziegenhain in Langenhein-Ziegenberg. Reference: militaryhistoryonline.com.BabyNuke (talk) 20:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Total lack of reliable sources![edit]

Unfortunately, virtually all of the content of this article is based on sources that are not reliable (WP:SPS), as both the first and second references are self-published web sites. Moreover, the third one is a broken link. I will tag the page accordingly. I will also delete one external link (SPS) and label the other clearly as self-published (pictures should be ok). One of the print references given is also self-published according to Amazon (tagged). If we ignore that one we are still left with four published references, but it is unclear whether they support any of the claims made in this article, since they are not referred to in the text at all. The only truly sourced statement here involves the one from Speer. IMO all the stuff not reliably sourced should be deleted from this article.

The external link to the Bundesarchiv website is to a page that notes that Adlerhorst was located in Schloss Ziegenberg, in Wiesental/Ziegenberg. Kransberg, while close, is not even mentioned.

In addition, there is inconsistent use of dmy and mdy dates.

Finally: "The locals were told that it as an expansion of the air defense zone of Bad Münstereifel." This not only lacks a verb, but given that Bad Münstereifel is roughly 200 km from Kransberg (140 km as the bomber flies), it makes absolutely no sense. Maybe this material does not apply to Kransberg at all, but to some place in the Eifel?? Drow69 (talk) 14:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Alderhorst in 1940[edit]

Hitler’s Directive No. 16 (the order initiating Sealion) ordered the headquarters for each of the services to set up near the ‘Adlerhorst’ (Eagles Nest) at Ziegenberg. The Army and the Navy were to occupy mutual premises in the Army Headquarters at Giessen while the Luftwaffe was to move its headquarters train to Ziegenberg. Ziegenberg is north of Frankfurt and 32 km from Giessen, but it was usual at that time for the German armed service headquarters to be separated by distances up to 50km during a major operation. For example, Goering’s HQ was located 50 km from Felsennest, Hitler’s HQ for the invasion of France (10 May-6 June 1940) – Seidler & Zeigert (2004), p.63. This distance did not prevent the operation from being successful. Although Hitler didn’t move to the purpose built Führerhauptquartier, he may have done so had the plan been put into execution. His 1,100 man bodyguard, the Fuhrer-Begleitbataillon, plus a 600 man Luftwaffe anti-aircraft detachment, moved to Adlerhorst 5 July 1940 in anticipation of Hitler’s arrival. They didn’t leave until November 25 1940.F W Siegler & D. Ziegert Hitler’s Secret Headquarters, Greenhill Books, London, 2004, p. 75Sitalkes (talk) 11:18, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So I think the sentence "However, after a visit by Hitler in February 1940,.... and the invasion of Great Britain." should be changed to

"However, after a visit by Hitler in February 1940, he dismissed it as an operational base, as he considered it too lavish for his Spartan taste (and image as a man of the people). Thus, Speer was asked to adapt the complex to meet the needs for use by the Luftwaffe, and specifically to serve as the Luftwaffe headquarters for Hermann Göring during Operation Sea Lion, and the invasion of Great Britain.

Hitler’s Directive No. 16 (the order initiating Sealion) nominated the ‘Adlerhorst’ (Eagles Nest) at Ziegenberg as the Sealion headquarters. The directive ordered the headquarters for each of the services to set up nearby. The Army and the Navy were to occupy mutual premises in the Army Headquarters at Giessen while the Luftwaffe was to move its headquarters train to Ziegenberg. Ziegenberg is north of Frankfurt and 32 km from Giessen, but it was usual at that time for the German armed service headquarters to be separated by distances up to 50km during a major operation. For example, Goering’s HQ was located 50 km from Felsennest, Hitler’s HQ for the invasion of France (10 May-6 June 1940) Ref: Seidler & Zeigert (2004), p.63. This distance did not prevent that operation from being successful. Although Hitler didn’t move to the purpose built Führerhauptquartier, he may have done so had the plan been put into execution. His 1,100 man bodyguard, the Fuhrer-Begleitbataillon, plus a 600 man Luftwaffe anti-aircraft detachment, moved to Adlerhorst 5 July 1940 in anticipation of Hitler’s arrival. They didn’t leave until November 25 1940. Ref:F W Siegler & D. Ziegert Hitler’s Secret Headquarters, Greenhill Books, London, 2004, p. 75"Sitalkes (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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