Talk:Agastya

Merge notice

As Agastya is a more widely used name across India and since this article is more comprehensive, I suggest that this article be retained with Agastyar converted into a re-direct. I'd wait for comments till the 4th of November before merging these articles. --Gurubrahma 06:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

To all

//was a Vedic Siddhar or sage//

wheather Tamil Akattiyar and rig vedic agathya are same or different .

how could be creater of tamil language too indo aryan tonque sage????

when did actually rig veda had written down in text ?Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 14:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

//was a Vedic Siddhar or sage// he is tamil siddhar Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality disputed

Recent edits from 25 March 2011 have induced the POV that Agastya was never a Sanskrit speaker and rubbishes his Indo-Aryan origins claim. Statements like "The fact of Agastya's leadership of Velir clan rules out the possibility that he was even in origin an Indo-Aryan speaker.", " The fact of Agastya’s leadership of the Velir clan rules out the possibility that he was even in origin an Aryan sage" based on a single author, does not reflect the opinion of the whole academic community, but just of a scholar. These statements are opinions, NOT facts. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:55, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

first of all article is published in peer reviewed Journal which is acknownlaged by UNESCO,Central Institute of Classical Tamil by UNION INDIAN Govt, Government of Tamil Nadu Indian History Congress,written by world renowned Indus scholar Iravatham Mahadevan,and this journal is reviewed by all International and national level scholars in Indian History Congress what else u need

Iravatham Mahadevan was awarded the Jawaharlal Nehru Fellowship in 1970 for his research in Indus script and the National Fellowship of the Indian Council of Historical Research in 1992 for his work on Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions.

In 1998, he was elected the president of the Annual Congress of the Epigraphical Society of India and in 2001 he became the general president of the Indian History Congress. He received the Padma Shri award from the Government of India in 2009 for arts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kongu Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk • contribs) 13:47, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

read it out tamil lexicon , how could agatthiya is a creator of Tamil language, which has no relationship with sanskrit

wheather agattiyar of tamil and oral tradition rig vedic agastheya is same

when do rig veda written down Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

still no reply , so we can take this as a green signal to remove those tags Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 14:32, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

//These statements are opinions, NOT facts.//

this is a fact, u should keep in mind tamil is as old as a sanskrit Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 11:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

//based on a single author//

and also i like u to view this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agastya#References Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 13:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

No reply

No reply by those whose rised question about articles neutrality and single source issue(now i had placed more books in referrence section)

still no reply , so we can take this as a green signal to remove those tags Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 14:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

still waiting for reply ,from whom created the neutrality issue and this that last date to remove neutrality tag is 15th of this month within this time discuss back Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 08:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Now I can Remove the tags Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

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Reference to Kung-fu

The reference to Bodhidharma and Kung-fu seem fat fetched. I looked up the wiki page for kung-fu and there are no references to any bodhidharma. I think the submitted has drawn inspiration from a tamil movie that alludes to the possibility that a pallava prince who traveled to china created kung-fu. Academic citations or research references to this aspect of Agastya's influence on martial arts is missing. I deleted the reference to bodhidharma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sescaugust (talk • contribs) 15:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Source check: Agastya and Indus Civilization

@Kautilya3:, @Joshua Jonathan:, others: is this a WP:RS? For now, I intend to leave it in, but would appreciate your thoughts. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

The author, Iravatham Mahadevan, seems notable. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:40, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, I have seen his name in many places. I would expect his coverage of the Agastya traditions of the South is quite solid. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:12, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks both. Will keep it then. Will also summarize it for balance and when I can find a second RS as a confirmation that the view is non-WP:FRINGE. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:26, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Removal of sources, Works of Siddhar Agathiyar, etc

@Bargunan s: welcome to wikipedia. Why are you edit warring by deleting sources and sourced content? Please explain your concerns. You also added "www.tknsiddha.com/medicine" which is a commercial/blog-like website, which is a questionable source. Please explain how it meets WP:RS and WP:MEDRS guidelines? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:37, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for starting a discussion. I don't know what to make of the source. I don't think it's reliable nor due mention. --Ronz (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Please Rishi Agastya religion is Hinduism not Islam u stupid editor Dinesh fafal (talk) 19:30, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Notion Press publications removal

Hi, Ms Sarah Welch . This source http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/index.php?sfx=pdf does not state "A-ga in Sanskrit means a mountain, and Asti means thrower.", at least I couldn't find it. If it is present then the page they are mentioned in should be mentioned in the citations. I also wonder why the etymologi section of the Tamil name "Agatthiyar" was reverted. I also wonder why Agastya is mentioned as both Indo-aryan and Dravidian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muvendar (talk • contribs)

I removed the content because it was sourced to a book published by Nortion Press. It advertises itself as a self publishing outfit, making it a WP:SPS, or unreliable. Please don't use such sources in this article or anywhere else in wikipedia. We already have Tamil Agathiyar in infobox etc, there is no need to repeat. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:15, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Ms Sarah Welch, yes indeed, you are right. But I also am curious to why Agastya is mentioned as both Indo-aryan and Dravidian, because one is either Indo-aryan or Dravidian. I think it is unnecessary to mention this part. Would like to get a response on this. Muvendar (talk) 17:23, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

The challenge is that ancient history is often hazy, and we don't know for sure. If some state one thing, others state another thing, then we can't take sides per WP:NPOV guidelines, and need to state both. Note this is in one summary sentence in the lead that is listing controversies about him, and all this is further explained in the main article. Per WP:LEAD guidelines. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:59, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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Rigveda and 1800 BCE, etc

@Nittavinoda: Please review WP:OR, WP:V, WP:RS and other content guidelines of wikipedia. You cannot just insert or randomly replace 1200 to 1800 BCE for Rigveda dating. Which scholarly sources support your proposed changes? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Ms Sarah Welch: Those are not my edits. So you need to replace that portion of the text alone and stop making bulk reverts. Nittavinoda (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Nittavinoda: In future, please practice what you ask of others: "don't bulk revert". I have added back what seems appropriate. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

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