Talk:Akali Phula Singh

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Recent disruption[edit]

Recently an IP hopper has been dumping a large amount of unsourced/OR/unreliable/misrepresented content at multiple Sikh-related articles, e.g. see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], etc. They have done the same thing here. With these edits, other than blanking well-sourced content, they provided three 'refs'. In the first ref, they provided unsourced commentary. In the second ref, they again provided their personal commentary, but this time they also mentioned a 19th-century Raj-era source, i.e. A history of the reigning family of Lahore: [7]. Ironically, that source itself mentions him as a Jat on the page no. 185: "Phoola Sing Nahung, an Akalee of the Jat Sing caste, and the son of a poor Akalee attendant ...". Note that the Raj-era sources have long been discarded on this project for being unreliable and outdated – see WP:RAJ for relevant details and discussion links. In the last ref, they provided a non-scholarly book from a caste member without giving any details like page no., publisher, ISBN, etc. These edits have already been reverted, but I am mentioning this here for the sake of clarity. - NitinMlk (talk) 01:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Needs protection[edit]

Hi NitinMlk I've protected the first two (extended confirmed for Akali Phula Singh and sem for Bhai Mani Singh. Let me know if the others become an issue. --RegentsPark (comment) 00:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
RegentsPark, thanks. The disruption of this sock master is getting out of hand. They are also editing as an anon: see the previous section. As noted by an editor at Punjabier's SPI ([8]), they always jump between extremely wide IPv6 ranges. So page protection is the only option left. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

English in this article in pathetic.[edit]

Who wrote this article? A fifth grader? Lol 121.45.97.64 (talk) 12:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This nihang leader n his disciples were all meat eaters[edit]

Its an insult to Guru Gobind to call this nihang leader someone who upheld Guru’s principles in highest esteem. 121.45.97.64 (talk) 12:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

correction please[edit]

Akali means immortal .whatever you mention he is born in jat Sikh .its not right .by the way reality is that he was born in low caste family according to these materlistic people .he was nihang .so please stop misguiding people by referring him jatt 49.183.0.89 (talk) 07:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2023[edit]

Akali Phula Singh Birth Place name is Dehla Sehan, Recently Nager Kirtan was orgnized by Nihang Zathebandi that was started from the Birth place of Akali Phula Singh (Dehla Sehan) to Shri Amritsar Sahib. Gurpreetkamboz21 (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source for this? ThethPunjabi (talk) 13:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lizthegrey (talk) 00:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 March 2023[edit]

Akali Phula Singh is not Jat as its a wrong citation that needs to be corrected he comes from Mazhabi community also known as Rangreta.This false claim of called Baba ji a jat changing the course of Sikh history. Wolfjsr2020 (talk) 14:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Akali Phula Singh was Rangreta Mazhabi Sikh, not jatt. I am providing proofs and citations for this below.
  1. Ishar Singh Rangreta was father of Akali Phula Singh, who was in Nishania MIsl of Sikh. Link for this. Read Biography on this citation. Proofs collected from British Museum and they have posted this after brief scrutiny. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG189189#:~:text=His%20father%2C%20Sardar%20Ishar%20Singh,married%2C%20but%20was%20dedicated%20to%E2%80%A6
  2. Nishania Misl only consist of Rangreta Mazhabi Sikh and Khatri Sikh only. And Akali Phula singh's father was in Nishania misl. And they don't have any land and they were financial weak. even the birth place of Akali Phula Singh was Situated in Mazhabi sikh patti or block. Let's know about NIshania Misl with proper citation and proof. Glossary Of The Tribes And Castes Of The Punjab And North-west Frontier Province Vol.3 by HA Rose, page number 172. Read about Nishania Misl, and which Sikh community form it. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.69674/page/n182/mode/1up.
So how this can be possible that Father Belongs to Rangreta Mazhabi Sikh family and even Misl, and son belongs to Jatt community. As proof the Ishar singh father of Akali Phula Singh belongs to the Nishania Sikh Misl, which doesn't even have JATT SIKHS in it. So this is clearly Historical negationism.
The thing is that is Sikhism, Rangreta Mazhabi Sikhs have contributed the most, that's why they were called Mazhabi Sikh. Rangreta was called Mazhabi sikh, as they have contributed the most in it and always followed the track of Sikhism and its rule and regulations. That's why Phula Singh was Called Akali, as Rangreta word denotes the caste. But as he was Rangreta sikh and 6th Jatehdar of Akal Takht and specially Akal Regiment, nobody have written him as Rangreta, because it denote caste and in sikhism their is no system of caste, but instead he was written as Akali, same as Godhar Singh mazhabi sikh. Godhar Singh was also written as Akali, Nihang and Mazhabi ( Trail of Diwan Mul Raj ). And nobody want to humiliate Akali Phula Singh by writting him as Rangreta. As he him self don't accept caste system, and see everybody as a Human Being.
Father was Rangreta sikh and son is written as jatt sikh. Such a historical negatioism. So kindly change it, as it have already, downgraded the image of WIKIPEDIA and even spread a lot of fake and false information on AKALI PHULA SINGH's BACKGROUND. So change it to Rangreta mazhabi sikh.
SO USE COMMON SENSE, that Ishar Singh father of Akali Phula Singh was Rangreta Sikh and belongs to Nishania misl. And Akali Phula Singh was also a Rangreta Mazhabi sikh. he was not a jatt sikh. So user @NitinMlk @ScottishFinnishRadish change this, from jatt to Rangreta Mazhabi Sikh. Gurdas Singh atwal (talk) 05:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RegentsPark, for the last few days, User:Gurdas Singh atwal has been violating your final warning. They first caused large-scale disruption here with original research, misrepresentations, and unreliable sources while logged out: see edits of [9] and [10] – one of them mentioned that "I am Atwal." And yesterday, they posted the same stuff after logging in. This comment is a violation of your final warning, as it is full of original research and the sources cited by them neither support the subject's origin-related claim nor are reliable for history:
a) It mentions "Ishar Singh Rangreta" as the father of the subject and cites this webpage which doesn't mention "Rangreta" anywhere.
b) The other source cited by them is an unreliable Raj-era source that doesn't even mention the subject or his father. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NitinMlk: I've blocked the account but note that they appear to be using a non-static IP. This is not going to solve the problem on talk pages but let me know if any articles need semi-protection.
OK. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2023[edit]

2402:8100:2261:2EF5:D480:BC53:8663:95DA (talk) 06:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
Akali Phula sigh ji past people said there they born in Majbi sikh family[reply]

baba ji s biography 2402:8100:2261:2EF5:D480:BC53:8663:95DA (talk) 06:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: Not an actionable request  Spintendo  23:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2023 (2)[edit]

The early life section need to be amended, the birth in which family have to be corrected, details are not appropriate. HE had born in Mazhabi sikh community and was a Rangreta 

sikh. proof is mentioned in the link: https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/3292967. Gurdas Singh atwal (talk) 06:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are suspiciously editing any random sikh warrior as so called rangreta but proof you have mentioned isn't much relaible as WP:MR so you don't have any right and I will report you son Truthfindervert (talk) 07:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He was Rangreta Sikh, not jatt. Don't make fun of sikh history by just making everybody jatt. And i am from the village of Akali Phula Singh ji. Sinnh village Sangrur. I am just shocked that all Rangreta Warriors are been made jatt on wikipedia. Don't promote and spread fake information. As this can lead to some serious issues in the society. Link for citation. So make Hari Singh Nalwa, Baba Deep Singh and Akali Phula Singh to Rangreta Mazhabi Sikh. Vishnu Puraan Clearly mention the word Khatri as low caste warriors that have avail to create their rule.
  1. https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/3292967#cite_note-0
  2. https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/3990/1/Riat13PhD.pdf
  3. https://www.jetir.org/papers/JETIR1811442.pdf
  4. https://www.scribd.com/document/580782431/Baba-Jiwan-Singh-Ji-English
Gurdas Singh atwal (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gurdas Singh atwal, the sources provided by you are not reliable for Sikh history (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP):
  • The first source is a WP:MIRROR of Wikipedia – it copy-pasted a poorly sourced version of Wikipedia.
  • This nonscholarly source is published by a Mazhabi NGO.
  • This article is written by an MPhil student in an unreliable, predatory journal, which is listed in the Beall's List – search JETIR in this list.
  • Although unpublished theses are generally not cited on this project, the one provided by you doesn't support your claims anyway. It only mentions Mazhabi Sikhs on page nos. 317 and 318, where it discusses the inclusion of "Sikh scheduled castes, such as Ramdasias, Mazhabis, and Kabeer Panthis" under the Sikh Gurdwaras Act. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was Rangreta Mazhabi sikh. And all punjab knowns that. It is clearly mentioned by SPGC by Prof. Kartar Singh in his book Sikh History part 1 and part 2. Their are so many proofs of it. Mentioned below.
Chawla, Harbans Singh, From Sikh History, M P Publishers, Delhi, 2009.
Dr. Ratan Singh Jaggi, Sikh Panth Vishwakosh, Vol II, Guru Ratan Publishers, Chandigarh, 1987.
H B Singh, Ankhile Jarnail Phula Singh, New Delhi, 1988.
Dr. Amritpal, Sher-E-Punjab Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Sangam Publishers, Samana (Patiala) 2000.
Tada, Piara Singh, Angole Jabaaz Sikh Yodhe, Lok Hit Publishers, Urban Estate, Batala, 2002.
Dhir, Kuldip Singh, Sikh Raj de Veer Nayak, Punjabi University, Patiala1984.
Khalsa, Baljit Singh, Khalsa Raj di Gaatha, Azad Khalsa Publishers, Amritsar, 2014.
Nihal Ras, Niirbhai Jathedar Akali Phula Singh, (ed-II), Amritsar, 2010. Padam, Piara Singh, Punjab di Gaurav Gatha, Kalgidhar Kamal Foundation, leyar Mall, Patiala, 2000.
Sarup Lal Kailey, Harnek Singh Gill, Panth Hiteshi Akali Phula Singh, Amritsar, 2009.
Dr. Sukhdial Singh, Siri Akal Takht Sahib, Gurmat Parkashan, Delhi, 2002.
Dr. Amrit Lal Pal, Sher-E-Punjab, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Sangam Publications, Samana (Patiala), 2005.
Prof. Kartar Singh, Sikh History, SGPC, Amritsar, 1961. Kartar Singh, Stories from Sikh History, Book VII, Hemkunt Press, New Delhi.
Khushwant Singh, History of the Sikhs, Vol V, Oxford University Press, 1999.
And many more. So stop mentioning it as a jatt. He was not a jatt. Only jatt writers mention him as jatt. SPGC have clearly mention him as mazhabi sikh Rangreta in 1961. Gurdas Singh atwal (talk) 05:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gurdas Singh atwal, you have a history of citing fake/unreliable sources. This list also seems like copied from some book's bibliography without knowing what these sources mention. You don't even know which page(s) of these sources you want to cite here. BTW, Oxford University Press never published the 5th volume of Khushwant Singh's A history of the Sikhs simply because it does not exist – there are only two volumes (see here and here). So even this bibliography seems from an unreliable source.

Note that your following source is available online: "Kartar Singh, Stories from Sikh History, Book VII, Hemkunt Press, New Delhi." The book is not a scholarly/reliable source for Sikh history, as it is co-authored by Gurdial Singh Dhillon (a law graduate politician) and Kartar Singh, who was a postgraduate in economics. But more importantly, there seems no mention of Mazhabi in the entire book.

RegentsPark, this Mazhabi Sikh SPA has already wasted many hours of the community by bombarding fake/unreliable sources at various history/caste articles, and they are still continuing in the same vain. I have wasted multiple hours on their edits in the past only to realise that they were based on fake refs or, in rare cases, self-published/non-scholarly works of Mazhabi Sikh activists, e.g. see here and here. After all the past explanations, they still don't understand WP:SCHOLARSHIP and have yet to make any constructive edit on this project. So how long this disruption will continue? - NitinMlk (talk) 19:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: WikiLinks for any requested cities need to be provided with the request.  Spintendo  22:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Khushwant Singh, History of the Sikhs, Vol ii , Oxford University Press, 1999. It got misprint, instead of 2nd edition. Gurdas Singh atwal (talk) 04:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gurdas Singh atwal, provide this book's page number and quotation which mentions that the subject was a Mazhabi. - NitinMlk (talk) 12:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the whole book. Nothing is about Akali Phula Singh in that book. Volume 2 is for the time period 1839–2004, and Akali Phula Singh Ji died in 1823. I also checked Volume 1, and nothing says that Akali Phula Singh was from the Mazbhi/Ranghreta family. This guy is also active on many other wiki sites. His main motive is to change every Jatt word to Ranghreta or Mazbhi by using the self-written sources of Niranjan Arfi and other Mazbhi Sikh writers, etc. Also, I have some more references in which Akali Phula Singh is written Jatt. I can share it with you if you want. Zaildaar95 (talk) 06:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
jatt is written by Hari Ram Gupta. And Akali phula singh father is written as Member of Nishania misl in Malwa Itihas and Sidhu barara daa itihas book. And clearly mentioned that Nishania Misl was of Khatri and Rangreta sikh warriors and then how he became jatt as his father was in Nishania misl, and it only contains Rangreta and Khatri Sikhs. And no body have ever called him Khatri, as Akali Phula Singh belongs to a financial weak family and have no land and any property. Proofs are mentioned below that Ishar singh Nishanawali, father of Akali Phula Singh belongs to Misl of Rangreta and Khatri Sikhs. Then how he became jatt. That such a Historical Negationism. Proofs. Citations for proofs.
1. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.69674/page/n182/mode/1up
Page no 172.
2. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG189189#:~:text=His%20father%2C%20Sardar%20Ishar%20Singh,married%2C%20but%20was%20dedicated%20to%E2%80%A6
See Biography for proof in the above link. This is certified by British museum. And you are saying him as jatt. Such a Historical Negationism is this.
So as it is clearly mentioned that Nishania Misl consist only Rangreta and Khatri sikhs. And Ishar Singh father of Akali Phula Singh was is Nishania Misl, then how he became a jatt. This clearly States that he was Rangreta mazhabi sikh. And it was also approved by Dr. Amandeep Kaur chairperson jallianwala bagh Head Department of history of GNDU Amritsar and by Prof Dr. Kuldeep singh chairperson of Head Department History Central of
Punjab, Bathinda, HRD of Minister of Government of India, in their Book with Dr Bhupinder Singh Mattu. Book name ( Mazhabi Sikkha di Jadoh Jehad. And it is clearly written on British Museum site. And HA Rose Book glossary of tribes and castes vol 3 page 172.
And it's is also approved by Budha Dal, who's whom he was 6th Jatehdar, Dashmesh Tarna Dal and SPGC. In the book name Mazhabi sikha da itihas ( History of Mazhabi Sikh by Shamsher Singh Ashok ).
Wikipedia should also think that, Father was Rangreta Mazhabi Sikh and Son was jatt. Such a Historical Negationism is this. Changes should be made immediately, as this page has already spread alot of fake and incorrect information. 38.183.9.152 (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you checked your own sources? You posted about Khushwant Singh's book. In his books, not a single word mentions that Akali Phoola Singh was ranghreta/mazhbhi sikh. Nishanwalia Misl was of shergill jatts, not rangreta. Dasaundha Singh, son of Chaudhari Sahib Rai, was a Gill Jatt belonging to the village of Mansur in Firozpur district who, after the conquest of Sirhind by Sikhs in January 1764. You need proofs, and we will send you more than 10. You can start with Mahankosh by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha. So stop claiming every jatt shaheed to Ranghreta. Your self-made sources will not be accepted here. Zaildaar95 (talk) 08:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great you are pointing me for doing this. I have clearly mentioned the Proofs for the citations certified by British museum and India history research departments.Is these fact and proof are self made ?
1. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.69674/page/n182/mode/1up
2. Is this is a self made proof.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG189189#:~:text=His%20father%2C%20Sardar%20Ishar%20Singh,married%2C%20but%20was%20dedicated%20to%E2%80%A6
Mazhabi Sikhs are the real Sikhs, who have followed the words of Guru Gobind Singh ji that, from now onwards no body will use their Gotras and Caste. And nobody will be discriminated on the base of Caste and Gotra. As in Sikhism their is no caste system. That's the main reason that they have never used their gotras and caste. That's why they were called Akalis. Because Rangreta words discribe caste system. And people who do this taboo in Sikhism were seen with hates.
Father of Akali Phula Singh was in Nishania misl. It's clearly written that this Misl was of Rangreta sikh and Khatri Sikhs only. So the Father was Rangreta sikh and Son was a Jatt sikh. What is going on. Just making fun of history of Sikhism and creating and spreading false information.
The thing is that due to discrimination against Dalit and other economical weaker sections and communities, is the main reason for this historical Negationism.
In book Trail of Mul Raj. Godhar singh mazhabi sikh was also got death sentence for the killing of two British officials.
It's clearly written on 172 page number that Nishania Misl consist only Rangreta and Khatri Sikhs. You are making your own history. See below for proofs and for Citations.
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.69674/page/n182/mode/1up
The thing is that everybody want to be like these warriors and want to glorify their own Caste and Gotras. But due to this the truth and the reality of the history is been violated. The books you are talking about is for the detail study of the background of the AKALI Phula Singh. And it gives a lead to the Background of the warriors of the Rangreta Sikh. 124.253.186.234 (talk) 11:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are a psycho guy who is just obsessed with jatts. You are showing me one source. I will show you more than 10 sources where Nishwanlia Misl is written, Shergill Jatts Misl. Also, all sources are certified. You can start with Mahankosh of Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha. Its a time waste to argue with people like you who are just always obsessed with jatts and jatt words. You are the same guy who was saying on Sikhwiki that you are a jatt, but you got admission in MA English in SC quota. Lmao 🤣 Gurdas Singh Atwal. BTW, you are using a Jatt clan surname.😂 Admins already replied to your sources by explaining them properly still you are arguing them without a proper source. Zaildaar95 (talk) 11:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vandalism Checker above user who is @Zaildaar95 have made abusive words and used valgor comments on me, without knowing my personal status. I have cited the proofs, approved by British Museum and HA Rose above, but the egocentric and narcissistic behaviour and comments of the @Zaildaar95 have been continuously disturbing the laws of Wikipedia. 124.253.186.234 (talk) 12:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@adminstrator incident Above user @Zaildaar95 have been using valgor and abusive language against me, without knowing my background and personal status. And this act is abusive in nature against me. I have provided Proofs by British Museum and HA Rose. But user @Zaildaar95 is so egocentric and narcissistic in his words and do not want to take that as proofs. And seeing the Proofs he started to make abusive words against me. Without knowing me. The above proofs are of British Museum. And he is saying that, they are self made. 124.253.186.234 (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NitinMlk Hi Bro, Can you please take care of this guy? Zaildaar95 (talk) 11:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am Atwal. First read History of Rangreta and Mazhabi Sikh by Naranjan Aarfi, Shamsher Singh Ashok, and Dr. Bhupinder Singh Mattu. Then read Sidhu barara daa itihas and Malwe da itihas. Read Glossary of tribes and castes. And don't feel superior. Wikipedia is not for your discrimination and vulgar comments on caste and tribes. Every caste and tribes have their own History and background. Rangreta sikhs are from Hindu Ranghar Rajput. Hari Ram Gupta's book History of the Sikhs vol 2 rise of the Sikhs confedrency. Page number 199. Citation and proof below.
https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfTheSikhsVol.IiEvolutionOfSikhConfederacies1707-69/page/n214/mode/1up?q=Ranghars+
This clearly mention that their were Hindu Ranghars also. The offsprings of these Hindu Ranghar Rajput were called Rangreta. But they have been boycotted and labelled as Untouchables because of their musalman mother's. They have one Muslim mother in their generation. That's why they have been boycotted from Hinduism and labelled as Untouchables by the Brahminical order of caste system. And want to know about Atwal gotra surname. Read HA Rose glossary of tribes. And I think you don't know the meaning of jats. First go and read Vishnu puraan and Manu samriti that, who are Jatts. They are Categorised in 4th class of caste system and labelled as Shudras. They are tribal people. People who got financially strong are now called them self as higher caste. But that's wrong. Jatts are tribal people and are Shudras according to Vishnu Puraan and Manu Samriti. And first read some books and first find out the difference between caste and Gotras. You have written foul about me. And now I will complaint about this to @NitinMlk. @NitinMlk see the above comment of @Zaildaar95. Have promoted hate crime and making valgor comments on me without knowing my full status. Wikipedia should take action against it. And British museum is not my person source. HA Rose is not my person source. Kahan singh and other who belongs to khatri and other Jatt writers have written them as jatt. As they are jatt and Khatri. So they written them as from their own caste and gotra. British Museum have clearly stated that Nishania Misl was of Rangreta and Khatri Sikhs. And Proof are mentioned above. So having bad and hate in your heart for other communities is a sign of
egocentric and narcissistic and historical Negationism. @NitinMlk Take care of this @Zaildaar95 who is using abusive words against me. 124.253.186.234 (talk) 12:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can complain about me to the administrators. If I have broken a rule, I will get a warning and a restriction. No issues, i am ok with that. But facts are facts you can't change that. The hate you have towards jatts I have already seen.
and posting some sources for you about Nishanwalia Misl, in which you can check nishwalia misl was of shergill/gill jatts.
1. Mahankosh - Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha
2. Sikh Misls - Sohan Singh Seetal
3. History of the sikhs - Hari ram gupta
4. Panth Prakash Soorbir Khalsa- Baran Mislan - Giani Bishn Singh
5. Panth Prakash - Giani Gian Singh
6. When Sparrows Became Hawks: The Making of the Sikh Warrior Tradition - Dhavan Purnima (Oxford University)
7. Misls & Maharaja (1799-1860)- Dr. harjinder singh dilgeer
8. The Encyclopedia of Sikhism Vol. 1 - Harbans Singh
9. History of Sikh Misls - Dr. Bhagat Singh
10. Anglo-Sikh Relations - Bikrama Jit Hasrat
11. Chiefs And Families Of Note In The Punjab Vol-i - Griffin Lepel. H Sir
12. Prachin Panth Prakash - Ratan Singh Bhangu
13. Teg Khalsa - Giani Kartar Singh Klaswalia
Gazettes -
Ambala Gazetteer, 1883-84, p. 67.
Asiatic Annual Register, 1809 421-33.
Ludhiana District Settlement Report, 1878, 27.
Ludhiana Gazetteer, 1888-89,24, 109.
In Marathi -
Dilliyethil, II, Additional, 9-10.
Parasnis,269-77.
In Persian -
Akhbarat, British Museum, Or. 25021, folios 4a, 5b.
Ali-ud-din, 126a-b.
Bakhtmal,151-71.
Bute Shah, 266b-267a, 272b-275a.
Ganesh Das, Ms. 206.
Khair-ud-din, III, 256.
Khushwaqt Rae, Lahore Ms. 185.
In urdu -
Urdu
Gosha-e-Panjab, 24-26.
Kanhiya Lal, Panjab, 108.
Muhammad Hasan, 128 fn, 212 fn.
Nawazish Ali, SayYid, 61-62, 319.
Raghubir Varma, HariSingh Nalwa, 13.
Rajab Ali, Maulvi, 20.
Sarup Lal, Dastur-ul-amal, 249-50.253; Tarikh-e-Sikhan, 51, 58, 147 Zaildaar95 (talk) 13:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Akali phula singh father is written as Member of Nishania misl in Malwa Itihas and Sidhu barara daa itihas book. And clearly mentioned that Nishania Misl was of Khatri and Rangreta sikh warriors and then how he became jatt as his father was in Nishania misl, and it only contains Rangreta and Khatri Sikhs. And no body have ever called him Khatri, as Akali Phula Singh belongs to a financial weak family and have no land and any property. Proofs are mentioned below that Ishar singh Nishanawali, father of Akali Phula Singh belongs to Misl of Rangreta and Khatri Sikhs. Then how he became jatt. That such a Historical Negationism. Proofs. Citations for proofs.
1. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.69674/page/n182/mode/1up
Page no 172.
2. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG189189#:~:text=His%20father%2C%20Sardar%20Ishar%20Singh,married%2C%20but%20was%20dedicated%20to%E2%80%A6
See Biography for proof in the above link. This is certified by British museum. And you are saying him as jatt. Such a Historical Negationism is this.
So as it is clearly mentioned that Nishania Misl consist only Rangreta and Khatri sikhs. And Ishar Singh father of Akali Phula Singh was is Nishania Misl, then how he became a jatt. This clearly States that he was Rangreta mazhabi sikh. And it was also approved by Dr. Amandeep Kaur chairperson jallianwala bagh Head Department of history of GNDU Amritsar and by Prof Dr. Kuldeep singh chairperson of Head Department History Central of
Punjab, Bathinda, HRD of Minister of Government of India, in their Book with Dr Bhupinder Singh Mattu. Book name ( Mazhabi Sikkha di Jadoh Jehad. And it is clearly written on British Museum site. And HA Rose Book glossary of tribes and castes vol 3 page 172.
And it's is also approved by Budha Dal, who's whom he was 6th Jatehdar, Dashmesh Tarna Dal and SPGC. In the book name Mazhabi sikha da itihas ( History of Mazhabi Sikh by Shamsher Singh Ashok ).
Wikipedia should also think that, Father was Rangreta Mazhabi Sikh and Son was jatt. Such a Historical Negationism is this. Changes should be made immediately, as this page has already spread alot of fake and incorrect information 124.253.186.234 (talk) 13:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some sources for you about Nishanwalia Misl, in which you can check nishwalia misl was of shergill/gill jatts.
1. Mahankosh - Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha
2. Sikh Misls - Sohan Singh Seetal
3. History of the sikhs - Hari ram gupta
4. Panth Prakash Soorbir Khalsa- Baran Mislan - Giani Bishn Singh
5. Panth Prakash - Giani Gian Singh
6. When Sparrows Became Hawks: The Making of the Sikh Warrior Tradition - Dhavan Purnima (Oxford University)
7. Misls & Maharaja (1799-1860)- Dr. harjinder singh dilgeer
8. The Encyclopedia of Sikhism Vol. 1 - Harbans Singh
9. History of Sikh Misls - Dr. Bhagat Singh
10. Anglo-Sikh Relations - Bikrama Jit Hasrat
11. Chiefs And Families Of Note In The Punjab Vol-i - Griffin Lepel. H Sir
12. Prachin Panth Prakash - Ratan Singh Bhangu
13. Teg Khalsa - Giani Kartar Singh Klaswalia
Gazettes -
Ambala Gazetteer, 1883-84, p. 67.
Asiatic Annual Register, 1809 421-33.
Ludhiana District Settlement Report, 1878, 27.
Ludhiana Gazetteer, 1888-89,24, 109.
In Marathi -
Dilliyethil, II, Additional, 9-10.
Parasnis,269-77.
In Persian -
Akhbarat, British Museum, Or. 25021, folios 4a, 5b.
Ali-ud-din, 126a-b.
Bakhtmal,151-71.
Bute Shah, 266b-267a, 272b-275a.
Ganesh Das, Ms. 206.
Khair-ud-din, III, 256.
Khushwaqt Rae, Lahore Ms. 185.
In urdu -
Urdu
Gosha-e-Panjab, 24-26.
Kanhiya Lal, Panjab, 108.
Muhammad Hasan, 128 fn, 212 fn.
Nawazish Ali, SayYid, 61-62, 319.
Raghubir Varma, HariSingh Nalwa, 13.
Rajab Ali, Maulvi, 20.
Sarup Lal, Dastur-ul-amal, 249-50.253; Tarikh-e-Sikhan, 51, 58, 147 Zaildaar95 (talk) 13:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These texts have been written with self knowledge and without full analysis of the Historical events. But after collecting raw data and information from these above sources. And approved by British Museum also, the team of British Museum have carefully scrutinized the facts and history, and uploaded on its official website site. HA Rose have clearly written that Nishania Misl was of Rangreta and Khatri Sikhs. Father Rangreta mazhabi sikh and son Akali Phula Singh jatt. Historical Negationism. And you are saying that my proofs are self made. It's been presented by British Museum. It's been approved by 124.253.186.234 (talk) 14:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You gave me just one source, and I gave you more than 20. Still, you are aruing. Lmao. Go and check the gazettes of Ambala, Ludhiana, etc. from the 1800s. You just stuck with one source/writer. Read some other books. I am not arguing with person like you. Admins will take care of you like they did before. Zaildaar95 (talk) 15:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The proofs you have provided are self made and self published by some jatts and so called high caste. But I have have given you the proofs of British Museum, the supreme authority who have ruled india for more then 300 years. You have given the proofs of Hari Ram Gupta who have written that Baba Banda Singh Bahadur has not been martyed, instead he was released and under dipressed situation. And after that he got married with a woman near the city of Delhi. And many of the sources you have mentioned have never written him as jatt. He was always written as Akali Nihang. Jammu Raja texts, texts of traitors. Full of fraud and wrong details. Maximum of these are self printed by Jatts writers. Non of them have been scrutinized by SPGC or any Sikh research institutions. But the proof I have cited, has been approved by British Museum, and my one proof is sufficient for your fake sources. HA Rose have clearly written about Nishania Misl. But your caste egocentric writers and people have written him as jatt. One more citation for the proof is mentioned below. By Joseph David Cunningham writes as
1. "Battle of Nowshera 14 March 1823
Maharaja Ranjit Singh sent his army to stop the Wazir clan and himself crossed the river to attack Mulkhaiya. Akali, Sikhs, Muslims were divided over Ghazis. In this battle, the brave leader of the Majhabi Diwanis (Akalis i.e. Nihangs) of Amritsar was slain, and his horses, mounted, could not disturb the infantry." Sikh History Punjabi Edition 467, page 182
2. "Phool Singh Nihang was the son of a petty servant of the Akal Bunge of Amritsar. He came to the fore in 1809 when his men attacked Mr. Metcalf's bodyguards at Amritsar. When he did not succeed, he took some of his companions and forcibly stood before the Maharaja, drew his sword and exacted revenge from the strangers who had insulted him and his community. did." (A. History of the Raining Family of Lahore Page 185)
3. Trial of diwan mul Raj
Trial of Ghodar singh Mazhabi Sikh. Mentioned as Akali and Nihang.
I have also some history proofs and references with people associated with Historical finding and sikh history institutes. Mentioned below. By Dr.Amrit lal pal also mentioned. SPGC proofs are also mentioned.
And their are many more even you cannot imagine. And son my One proof is sufficient for you, that British Museum have scrutinized everything and clearly mentioned on their official site. HA Rose have clearly mentioned that Nishania Misl is of Rangreta and Khatri sikh, so where do jatt come from.
K. Satyanarayana (academic) and Ramnarayan Rawat and Rajkumar Hans
professor and Historian, they all have proven in their Book Dalit Studies, that they Baba Jiwan Singh, Baba Deep Singh, Akali Phula Singh and many more were mazhabi sikh Rangreta warriors.
The thing is that many writers you have mentioned and authors have written about this warrior but without proper research and proper citation and with their own prospectives and to make thier caste and gotra popular. But after vast scrutinized of these all facts and written texts, the Nishian Misl was Clearly mentioned as misl of Rangreta and Khatri sikhs. And Ishar singh was member of Nishania misl, and he was financially weak and have no land, the birth place of Akali Phula Singh is located in the Mazhabi Sikh Rangreta street of patti.
Nowaday all of this is approved and founded by many sikh historians and specially by
So my son, accept the reality, as at that time proper evidences are hard to find and people use to write with thier own theory and prospectives.
Jatehdar of Budha Dal, Tarna Dal, Dashmesh Tarna Dal and all have clearly mentioned and said in their interview on Chardikala times , previous year clip. And specially mentioned that, Akali Phula Singh have struggled alot at the time when their was not Democracy and he became 6th Jatehdar of Akal Takht and Budha Dal. 38.183.9.152 (talk) 18:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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