Talk:Al-Mohammadi Mosque

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Improving of the article debate Dear Wikipedia community members,

I would like to emphasize the importance of the recent update made to the article in question. This substantial revision is based on official contemporary sources as well as renowned French and Moroccan newspapers, notably the famous journal l’Illustration, a prominent illustrated magazine of the time.

It is crucial to note that the forecasts provided in these contemporaneous secondary sources are of great value in ensuring the historical accuracy of the article. Additionally, it is important to acknowledge the role of master architects Abad and Ben Omar, widely recognized as the designers of the mosque, unlike the French Habous officials who were not involved in architectural design.

Documents from the time, such as official inauguration photos and newspapers from 1934, clearly confirm the work of Abad and Ben Omar, without mentioning any other architects. Significantly, Haj Mohamed Ben Omar was honored with the highest distinction of the Alaouite kingdom in 1936 for his role in the mosque's construction.

These updates, based on contemporary sources of historical facts rather than colonial authorities' perspectives, enhance the quality and accuracy of the article. I commend the commendable effort made to enrich this content and encourage you to continue in this direction to maintain the integrity of our collaborative encyclopedia.

Improve the article with reliable sources Benomark2000 (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for your input, but your edits ([1], [2]) are not appropriate in their current form. Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources say explicitly and clearly. We have multiple reliable sources stating the architect of the mosque was Cadet, including a peer-reviewed academic article ([3]) and a specialized PhD thesis ([4]), all addressing this mosque explicitly. It's likely (in my opinion) that the French architects did not work alone, but that's not a reason for removing information that is verifiable.

You have not provided clear sources for the other architects. Your main claim is attributed to a 1934 issue of L'Illustration, which is not publicly accessible at that link so there's currently no way for someone else to verify what it says (except maybe by paying); my suggestion for this would be to copy and quote the relevant passage here, if a publicly accessible version is not available elsewhere. Elsewhere, you've linked to scans of old newspapers ([5], [6]), but I see no obvious mention of the mosque in either of them. Either you need to link the correct page, or you need to provide more precise details (like page numbers, and make sure the name of the specific article is correct), so that we can find the relevant information. When this information is provided, we can hopefully sort out what all the sources say. R Prazeres (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After more searching, I was able to find a copy of one of the relevant articles of L'illustration ("la solennelle consécration d'une nouvelle mosquée à Casablanca") from 1936. See here. As far as I can see, the only architect mentioned in the article is Cadet. So that seems to be yet another confirmation of the current information. R Prazeres (talk) 21:59, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I was able to locate the specific article in Le Petite Marocain ("S. M. le Sultan visite les travaux de la mosquée qu'elle fait ériger à Derb-Sidna", page 4), which mentions the names of the other architects who were present in 1934, directing the work when the sultan visited. I have re-added that information accordingly ([7]). There's again nothing here that contradicts the other information. R Prazeres (talk) 22:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]