Talk:Alan Stivell

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I went to the Article Alan Stivell in English from the one in french; how can be answered "no article"?

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article about Alan Stivell[edit]

There are some mistakes that I will correct as soon as possible; for exemple,Breton language was not moribond in the 50s, still the more spoken celtic language, even if it was going down; "Symphonie Celtique / Tir na nOg" was out in 1979; albums as "Again" where not very experimental as said; Alan's last album is: Explore (2006);

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Jus what do you mean in the E1? I do notice that the interwiki is not done both ways... I'll see about it, but if you mean something more, please explain.

And begging pardon, but as a Frenchman and Breton, I can confirm that the language IS moribund now, as it is only taught in a tiny number of schools, and used as the teaching medium in even less, the number of families that use it on a daily basis is not enough to renew the speaker base, moreover, those families are breic'h atao diehards, not people who've always spoken it as their mother language... and in the 50s, is was even worse, all the young folk were learning and using French, only the old, who'd not been to school were Breton only speakers, on only very rural folk were retaining it as their main language... BTW, even hardcore revivalist still have French for a first language. Breton is dying, it's native speaker base is even smaller, and less immersed than that of Scottish Gaelic... and even Irish is in deep trouble. --Svartalf 21:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I mistaked, sorry;

E1

If you say that Breton IS moribund now, we can speak of it; if you still say "in the 50s", I am not ok. I live in Brittany and remember that in the late 70s the sound of Breton was listened about as often as French in the small boroughs of Lower Brittany still . The term "moribund" sounds a bit to hard even now, if we consider that there are still more people speaking it than Icelandish and much more than Scots Gaelic. The official number in Lower Brittany is around 250000 speakers, around the same number in the rest of the world (total 500000). The big interest among the young generation gives hope that as soon a better official recognition will come (with Europe's help), the dying will be stopped as well as in Wales. Please don't discourage the thousands of peoples regularly marching in the streets claiming that a Breton is a human being equal to a Welsh.

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The sound of Breton was as common as French in the 70s? If you were in the real boonies, and dealing with people born well before WWII and without formal education... maybe, but the generations born after 1920 are primarily French speaking, and Breton speakers nowadays usually learned it as as second language. Those who speak it at home nowadays usually do so out of political or cultural convictions rather than because it's what they spoke at home as children. And where do you take those numbers from? Do 250.000 speakers mean those who have been taught some Breton at any given time, those fluent enough to speak it on a daily basis without aids, or those who claim Breton as their mother language? Because, only the first possibility does not make me feel that the claim is pure bull... 500 000 native (or native fluency) speakers worldwide... I don't believe that. The language is currently under intensive care, but it's a museum piece, not a vector of daily expression or literary creation... We may hope the trend will reverse itself, but French has done a thorough job of becoming the language for economic success and relegating Breton to a relic of folklore. And I've spent extensive periods in lower Brittany from the 70s to the 90s, and not just in cities and large towns; so if Breton were in common use as a vector language, I guess I'd know. --Svartalf 22:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Breton as a living language[edit]

I want to take part in the discussion about the Breton language. I agree with E2. I have not only went to Brittany a day or another, I live in this country. i know that what says E2 is true. And you can also refer to the more pessimistic studies, written by Fanch Broudig who is about the same numbers, even if he forgets that a number of people from Celtic Brittany live in Roman Brittany (Rennes/Roazhon at least); that many Breton live in Paris and the rest of France, a number of them speaking Breton, a number quoted officially in USA. To be so pessimistic, as the way you get rid of the writers, poets, artists dayly writing in Breton, having a big anser among the ausience old and young, looks as if you were helping (in what interests?) the french purpose to kill totally a part of the Human Culture.

the breton language has the position of a minority language, which is not an easy position. As long as the public authority known as l'Education Nationale decide to teach French and Latin and no Breton, it's sure that most breton children will not speak any word of breton, it's as simple as that.
Diwan schools are the only protection for this language.Christopher Lims 19:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Christopher; actually, everywhere in the world, it is hard to ask to many people to fight for their own language (as it is an intellectual and moral fight), knowing that so often people have material problems to look after in a hurry; that is why the governments feel so free to kill the cultures as well as they want. 12:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


Precisions[edit]

I had add some phrases which were precising a number of events and acts in Alan Stivell's History; and (or did I did it wrong?) these precisions have desappeared. It appears to me that very few people can have a very clear idea of his work and life if, at first, the different periods are not clearly indicated. His formation and his making a revival for the Celtic harp in the 50s is totally different with his professional work later under his artist name, for exemple. As it seems the deontology of Wikipedia, may I do some modifications? Or do you (the wikimaster) want to give your advice before? Another way to do could be that you take directly elements of the French version which is more complete. 82.126.53.188 (talk) 17:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that I removed those edits? They were written is such a poor standard of English that they made very little sense. I don't want to deter editors who are not first-language English speakers from editing on the English Wikipedia, but those edits do have to reach an acceptable standard. It is not possible simply to translate the text from the French Wikipedia using a translation engine, such as Google, because they rarely produce a coherent result! -- Maelor  20:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


More precisions[edit]

I understand your point of view. Thank you to have taken care of my message. Leaving aside the "form" for the ideas, would you think possible to add some of the precisions I have given (translated into good English)?82.126.53.188 (talk) 07:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs rewriting for English[edit]

It looks like a reasonable but non-idiomatic translation from another language. I'll have a go at turning it into English, but I haven't much time and would appreciate help from native speakers (of English that is - my Breton is of course superb) Cooke (talk) 23:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth[edit]

Somebody asked for more precision about the birth of Alan Stivell, and put a flag :"{{Fact|date=March 2009}}.

There is no doubt about the day Alan was born. What is required: a scan of an official paper from the commune he was born in? Gwalarn (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Recent reshaping and referencing[edit]

I've tried to satisfy the editorial requests for language reshaping and use of referencing in my recent editFauncet (talk) 03:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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"at the back of the back"[edit]

I assume this should have read "at the back of the book", but perhaps something else again was intended - in any case, "at the back of the back" is meaningless.213.127.210.95 (talk) 14:47, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've come back to back you up there. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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