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Stealing vs. Removed[edit]

Tschugguel stole the statues from the church. Even Catholic publications have acknowledged this: [1], [2], and [3], for example. "Removing" implies that he had permission to take the statues, which he did not. He discarded property that did not belong to him.

From Oxford dicitonary, "stealing" is to "take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.". Tschugguel removed property that did not belong to him, and threw it into the river (i.e. no intention of returning it). That is stealing. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whose property was it?Safebreaker (talk) 20:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly not Tschugguel's. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nobility Titels[edit]

As already pointed out in the deletion discussion, there are no nobilty titles in Austria.

https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFassung.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Gesetzesnummer=10000036

Their use is illegal and this is not amended by admitting it with a reference note.

Given that the titels are non-existent (as they have no legal basis) there cannot be a valid source for them. I challenge you to prove otherwise or to delete them. On a more broader note, acceptance of fake royal titels is an act of political positioning in itself and as such unsuitable for the wikipedia. Would you accept if the article about the Queen referred to her as the queen of British America with a hidden note that today there exists some "United States of America" and they do not agree? Most certainly not. It is simply incorrect information.

A correct phrasing might be "is a decendent of a former royal family" or similar." as well as to discard the titles such as "Baron" and "von". The same applies to the Tschugguel family article, by the way.

Finally, it could potentially harm the person this article is about as yielding of former royal titles is punishable by 20 000 K or 6 months arrest as stated by § 2 of the law referenced above. So he would certainly agree with the changes. 2001:4BB8:2C8:854F:E873:F8F3:87A1:B542 (talk) 19:50, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The fake nobility titles keep being restored without explanation. No one was able to provide a source or a reference for these claims and yet "the wikipedia" seems to collectively accept these. Given that the article is about a political person, the acceptance of "fake nobility" is a political act and questions the sovereignty of the Austrian State. This is completley inappropriate. Is there no oversight of such issues on the wikipedia? You are spreading false information.

Bonfineberer (talk) 15:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree. There is no nobility in Austria. As he is an Austrian citizen there is no other version of his name. The fact that his family held a different status is mentioned. --Wo st 01 (talk | rate) 09:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Covid[edit]

What is the significance of a COVID-infection in this article? None, because he is not an outspoken Covid-denier. His medical record is of no interest, even if the person mad it public. This an NPOV-article about a person, not his instagram account. -- Wo st 01 (talk | rate) 14:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Back then it was notable as he opposed to the Covid-Measures of the Austrian Government, though he had been affected personally with treatment in the hospital. At this point (Summer 2020) this was rather unusual. I don't want to say, that it is worth to mention, but it wasn't normal. --147.161.169.80 (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]