Talk:Allen v. United States (1896)

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What is the origin of the term "Allen charge"? --76.113.65.106 (talk) 03:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously much more can be said about this subject. A couple of suggestions to expand:

In US jurisdictions: Haven't some states banned the Allen charge, at least in criminal cases, as unduly coercive? I remember reading a 9th Circuit case which prohibited a second Allen charge to be given but that was 15-20 years ago.
In non-US jurisdictions: Where an unanimous verdict is required from lay juries, has the concept of the Allen charge been adopted? What variations of the charge are used? Etc.

Ellsworth 14:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems as though some of this article was lifted from AllenCharge.com without permission. 72.151.225.95 (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Only the select case law, not cited correctly, fix it! 76.109.163.218 (talk) 01:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Later case law[edit]

Federal appeals due to use of the Allen charge.

Case	Court	Date	Link
United States v. Prescott	United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit	December 26, 1996	[1]
United States v. Benjamin	United States Court of Appeals 5th Circuit	April 26, 2005	[2]
United States v. Martinez	United States Court of Appeals 2nd Circuit	July 15, 1971	[3]
United States v. Redman	United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit	June 12, 2002	[4]
United States v. Reams	United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit	September 14, 2000	[5]
United States v. Burgos	United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit	June 1, 1995	[6]
United States v. Chigbo	United States Court of Appeals 11th Circuit	November 21, 1994	[7]

Not certain the list of states is correct.[edit]

The list of states that forbid Allen charges includes Pennsylvania, but this can't be correct. This morning, a judge in Pennsylvania issued an Allen charge in a high profile case (the Bill Cosby assault trial). Was the law or ruling overturned? TricksterWolf (talk) 16:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism/reason for banning in some states[edit]

As appparently some states do not allow the use of the "Allen charge", it would be interessting to know what are the reasons for those decisions. I can see why some jurisdictions allow it: to reduce the number of hang juries. -- Kan0nenfutter (talk) 22:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]