Talk:Alt-lite

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Merge[edit]

You can literally copy-paste this under a section in the alt-right article. --Aleccat 23:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, there is very little impact of the term "alt-lite" outside of "Alt-Right" circles. Allinallisallweallare19 (talk) 00:23, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

:Keep and expand, as well as move some content here from Alt-Right. This is recognized as a distinct movement from the alt-right, not just by people in these circles, but by civil rights organizations including the ADL. I have found a good number of sources on this and intend to try this over the next few days. See https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/key-leaders-alt-right-vs-alt-lite DoctorPaveleer (talk) 19:58, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I now believe there is a case for this to be merged, but I think it would be necessary to work certain parts throughout the article, rather than simply copy-pasting it as a section alone. DoctorPaveleer (talk) 22:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand Two different ideologies, two different articles. Working "certain parts throughout the article" (of alt-right) would only conflate the two ideas even more. It's not really a trend on wikipedia to merge the articles of two rather different ideas. The mere fact that one's nomenclature is derived from the other isn't grounds enough for a merge. Also, "alt-lite" has now brought definition to a group of people who were before needlessly demonized under the "alt-right" banner – merging the two articles only acts to continue that process.--Tataryn (talk) 18:35, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand Really helped me to have a distinct article. Article is unclear is why I wrote. Makes it unclear at first which is which.MirandaWaiver (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2017 (UTC)mirandawaiver[reply]

Merge. Firstly, from 2015-2016, the two movements were both under the 'alt-right' banner. Secondly, the term 'alt-lite' in the title of this article was created by hardline elements within the alt-right. Thirdly, media outlets continue to refer to figures that may be considered 'alt-lite' by the 'alt-right' (or 'new right' by themselves) as 'alt-right'. Fourthly, there are also many notable figures who toe the line between the two factions and cannot be easily defined into either. Due to the heavily blurred lines, this would be best merged as a section into 'alt-right' much as 'alt-left' currently is.--Jay942942 (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalism[edit]

The alt-lite aren't "civic nationalists"; they are lite ethnic nationalists (hence, the term "alt lite"). Read the article on ethnic nationalism — it sounds nothing like the alt-lite, who may not explicitly support an exclusionary ethnostate, but support xenophobic and racist policies to preserve the white majority. Benjamin5152414 (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

James Q. Wilson textbook[edit]

Regarding this edit, the 15th edition was in 2016, and the 16th lists 2019 as a publication date. The cited link has 2018 which suggests error or laziness. The 16th is searchable through google books and doesn't mention "alt-right", much less "alt-lite" (or "alt-light"). If this was the older edition, it is extremely unlikely this introductory textbook would go into detail of the term in 2015, when the 2016 edition was being prepared. The granular nature of the attached information is suspect, as well, so I have reverted to a previous version before that source was added, with some streamlining.

Likewise this edit removed material cited to a book written in 1996. This is very obviously WP:SYNTH. Sources need to be about the "alt-light" or else they're basically useless for this article. Grayfell (talk) 08:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Chapman NZ vs Kyle Chapman USA[edit]

"conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec, New Zealand activist Kyle Chapman, Kyle Prescott, conservative"

Kyle Chapman (born 27 April 1971)[citation needed] is a New Zealand political activist, the former national director of the New Zealand National Front (NZNF), a white nationalist political party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Chapman

Not to be confused with Kyle Chapman aka 'Based Stickman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon says eat (talk • contribs) 12:34, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reification fallacy and etymology section[edit]

It is by no means certain that one can properly refer to those associated with the Alt-lite aggregation as a movement. If we regard a movement as "a group of people working together to advance their shared political, social, or artistic ideas," it is doubtful they form any kind of coherent movement. We see in the etymology section that they are people Richard Spencer would like to purge from his Alt-right movement though he assumed the Free-Speech people were, in fact, his people. We further understand that the Alt-lite are people whom some associate with the Alt-right for political reasons which makes the term a simple pejorative label because of the racism of Spencer. This etymology section is inadequate.Ariel31459 (talk) 14:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replace Milo Yiannopoulos in the composite picture?[edit]

He hasn't been relevant to anything since 2017 after CPAC. Maybe a better example would be more suitable, especially considering what's come out about him since then and his close ties to actual Neo-Nazis. פֿינצטערניש (Fintsternish), she/her (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- @פֿינצטערניש: Who should replace him and why? Dronebogus (talk) 22:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]