Talk:Americans and Canadians in Chile

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Very good article, informative and useful. All it needs is more verifiable sources or the article is at risk to fall under the category WP:OR that indicates some of the facts aren't completely factual.

The controversies surrounding the Cherokees settling down in Chile, a rarity for any American Indian people spread out in the Americas, it could be a myth invited by leftist poet Pablo Neruda in the 1960's when he spoke about Californio Bandit Joaquin Murrieta was Chilean not Mexican.

Cherokees, along with Choctaw and Creek Indians are known as Oklahomos (Oklahomans) and they established themselves away from land confiscation and persecution from American settlers in the Oklahoma Land Rush of 1889.

About a hundred some Cherokee came to the Bio-Bio, Maule, Santiago and Valparaiso regions to build but soon to abandon a small farm commune in the Central Valley of Chile: El Ovasso, the Osage language word for “the end” of the world, in the early 1890‘s, and dispersed throughout the country.

In Chile, Cherokees were very renowned for their westernization, education and work ethic while they could easily assimilate into the Chilean “castizo” (less than a fourth Amerindian-white European) society. Today, there are more presumably Cherokee-Chileans seeking their genealogical roots in the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma in the USA.

North American immigration was much higher into other Latin American nations than in Chile: i.e. Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Cuba, Peru and Venezuela to name a few. An estimated 1 to 5 million NorteAmericanos from Mexico, Central America, Haiti and the Dominician Republic moved southward to South America, in equal numbers of SudAmericanos moved to Mexico, the USA and Canada in the last 5 centuries.

Mentioned in the article is the Anglosphere, current nations and former British colonies where English-speaking majorities and minorities are, including British India (now the countries of India and Pakistan), New Zealand and South Africa. There is a long history of Chilean trans-migration patterns from or into the USA and Canada, the UK, Australia/New Zealand and South Africa. + 71.102.18.28 (talk) 18:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

North Americans in Chile[edit]

I think the most appropriate title for the article would be North Americans in Chile.--Isinbill (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cherokee presence[edit]

The original author of this article never offered any citations for apparently any of their work on Wikipedia. As they are the origin of the claim that 100,000 Chileans claim descent from Cherokee accountable, I have to consider this a problem. Unfortunately I've been unable to locate single mention of a major Cherokee presence in Chile on JSTOR or any other research sites I have access to. If someone can offer a legitimate source for this bold claim, I'm welcome to re-include it. The mention of Joaquin Murrieta being Chilean is simply unfounded as well (the Spanish and English articles both note note that there is no proof for the claim) and has been removed as well. Voltaire's Vaquero (talk) 04:56, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's more of a myth than hoax, because of mentions of Joaquin Murieta and connections to possible Chilean or Cherokee heritage, despite he hailed from Sonora, Mexico. Myths can be believed by many people, even if the evidence is there to disprove them. Murieta is stuff of western (California and US Hispanic/Latino) mythology, and also the dubious self-identified claims of Cherokee Indian ancestry among millions of White Americans in the USA. Adinneli (talk) 05:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]