Talk:Anarchy of the 12 Warlords
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Title[edit]
I'd searched in Google and believe that the name "12 Warlords Rebellion" is only used in Wikipedia. There is no other source such as history books ever using this kind of translation. Instead some names are used such as:
- Anarchy of the 12 Warlords
- Period of the 12 Warlords.
- or simply as Twelve Warlords.
"Anarchy of the 12 Warlords" seems to be the closest translation of "Loạn 12 sứ quân". ༆ (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Nguyễn Hãng came from Fujian in China. He was the grandfather of three of the warlords, Nguyễn Siêu, Nguyễn Khoan, Nguyễn Thủ Tiệp. The father of the three moved to northern Vietnam (which was called Qinghai) and married a local woman who was their mother. Bắc Ninh and Hanoi were ruled by the three warlords. 04:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
List of the 12 warlords[edit]
Đại Việt Sử Ký Toàn Thư, one of the most prominent historical documents of Vietnamese history, recorded the 12 warlords and identified this period as that of armed conflicts amongst these warlords. However, it was written in the 15th century, way after this event, so there have been some doubts by historians that this is a form of "rounding up" or glamorization of history, when in fact there are no other records that said these lords were at war with one another or causing unrest.[1] Trần Trọng Dương argued that the conflict mostly revolved around the three main forces that I have added to the History section.[2] AvocadoH4t3r (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:01, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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12 or Twelve?[edit]
Shouldn't the title spell out the word? 98.143.65.225 (talk) 18:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Title (again)[edit]
"Anarchy of the 12 Warlords" does not seem to be the most common way of referring to this period in English. This is true even if 12 is replaced with twelve. The lead current cites a book from 2002 that is the only result on Google Books, and this work is about modern Vietnam, so it's not the best source. It seems more common in English to talk about the "Twelve Warlords", and sometimes call it the period of the Twelve Warlords. I think at least 12 should be replaced with Twelve, as the editor above suggests, and probably the title should be changed to "Period of the Twelve Warlords". I'd be interested to hear the input of others on this. Retinalsummer (talk) 12:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)