Talk:Ancoats Hall

A fact from Ancoats Hall appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 October 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the old Ancoats Hall was demolished and later rebuilt as an art museum?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2014/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ancoats Hall.

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I found this in google books but the dates contradict what it says in Brownbill. However it does suggest the reasons for Moseley leaving the hall. Richerman (talk) 21:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm being dim but I can't as yet see a contradiction. J3Mrs (talk) 08:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I missed this reply before. Brownbill says it was demolished in 1827 but Stocks intimates that it was still there at the incorporation of the borough in 1838. Richerman (talk) 06:24, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oh I don't think it does, it doesn't specify which hall was on its ancient site in 1838. J3Mrs (talk) 07:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

this tells you exactly where it was, but it's a bit hard to incorporate the way the article is worded. Richerman (talk) 21:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that too and I'll think about it. J3Mrs (talk) 08:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is also some fascinating information here about the founding of the museum with a letter from William Morris (on page 12), but sadly the original letter from Horsfall to Morris is not included in the preview, so to understand Morris's reply properly I would need to get hold of a copy of the book. Richerman (talk) 22:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This place is more interesting than I originally thought. J3Mrs (talk) 08:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Murrays who built the new hall were the owners of Murray's Mills. The first book you refer to indicates they were millowners.J3Mrs (talk) 08:31, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's right. In A&G Murray and the Cotton Mills of Ancoats it says on page 86 "Within one month of George Murray's death, Benjamin purchased McConnel's house in the Polygon, Ardwick (McConnel 1861, 141), whilst James resided at Ancoats Hall with his mother, Jane Murray. They both remained at Ancoats Hall for at least ten years when James took possession of a fashionable house in London and by 1868 Jane had moved to Benjamin's house in the Polygon". I pieced this together from the snippet view in google books - I'm not sure if you want to add any of it. Richerman (talk) 13:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great researching, can you add it? Please, Thank you. J3Mrs (talk) 13:53, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing clever, just doggedly ploughing through snippets in Google books. Not sure to make of this though. Where does that fit in? Did Horsfall buy it from the railway company? Richerman (talk) 14:43, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like old maps, the land the Mosleys sold was on the opposite side of Great Ancoats Street it was used for Ancoats Goods Yard. The house belonged to the Murrays. Horsfall must have bought it from them. J3Mrs (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Me too! You can see the location of the hall on this map towards the bottom right hand corner. I have a large copy of it on 18 A3 sheets. Unfortunately the house and lands are on the corner of a sheet so I'll need to scan four of them and put them together to get a decent amount of land to upload as an image. Richerman (talk) 15:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant map, almost contemporary with the Aiken description. Oddly enough I know that bit of Manchester quite well. It's hard to believe the change. J3Mrs (talk) 15:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We should not usually use GBooks snippet views. This has been discussed time and again, including fairly recently at WP:RSN. There is no context.

It might be possible to use screencaps of old maps as images. There are special rules regarding Crown Copyright, for example, and many others are available that were not published by the Ordnance Survey. Eg: see the right-side menu bar here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.149.82 (talk) 10:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As long as it is enough to be unambiguous - as that quote is - I don't see a problem. And anyway, if I hadn't said something here no-one would know. Richerman (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not only in snippet views and I do like the title of this book. [1] J3Mrs (talk) 12:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm shocked that a lady of your quality would even look at a book with "arse" in the title, let alone like it - you've obviously been corrupted by that Corbett chappie! Actually, the link I gave to Lancashire Gleanings for the Bonnie Prince Charlie story is to the complete book. Richerman (talk) 12:53, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently I'm a woman(?) but you can call me a lady. As for arses, we all have them and some of us know some. J3Mrs (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, m'lady. Richerman (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see the article on that mill. I see another few mentioned in the street article, I've not checked to see if they have articles, but I'd imagine they might be notable in their own right too.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn't know anything about dyk, I did a few but don't bother now. The hook is wrong! It wasn't rebuilt as an art museum. Does nobody check? Can nobody read? Probably not. J3Mrs (talk) 07:05, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would have been courteous to ask you as the article creator before nominating it. Apart from anything else it's a totally uninteresting hook - why not say something about the rumour that Price Charlie Stuart stayed there or that the Hall was sequestered after the civil war? Richerman (talk) 09:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sequestration of Hall[edit]

Can someone have a look at page 17 of Lancashire Gleanings here and tell me what Mosely had to pay to get the Hall back. Was it just the £120 or did he also have to pay an annuity of £20 per annum and £20 in reversion - or was that what he was receiving from the estate.