Talk:Andor Földes

Translation as per request[edit]

This article is a translation from german Wikipedia, as per the following tag removed from the article page to this:

Note, the German article's title does not include the umlaut on the o of Foldes. Eebahgum (talk) 18:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I find that some sources spell the name with accented umlaut (double acute): Főldes. Which one is correct?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jerome, http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki//foldes%20andor?search=foldes+andor consistently uses the umlaut

Földes Andor

rather than the ő (& #337;) (lower o double acute) as used for instance for

Győriványi Ráth György

Milkunderwood (talk) 23:10, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.[edit]

The translator takes no responsibility for the factual accuracy or otherwise of this text.

NB Bartok's 2nd concerto was premiered by the composer in 1933, according to editor of the Bela Bartok article.

Eebahgum (talk) 10:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The editor" of the Béla Bartók article says no such thing, though the (unreferenced) article on the Second Piano Concerto does make this statement. A proper reference can be found in the worklist appended to the New Grove's Bartók article by Malcolm Gillies, where the "First performance" column contains the information "Bartók, cond. H. Rosbaud, Frankfurt, 23 Jan 1933". It is entirely possible that Földes believed it had never been previously performed; on the other hand, perhaps some information got garbled in transmission, and the phrase was meant to cite the US premiere (as I see it has now been re-cast). In any case, it is amusing to see in the German version of this article that the Second Concerto was at the time considered "virtually unplayable", given that the Wikipedia article on the Second Concerto (supported by Gillies New Grove article) states that, after the enormous technical difficulties of the First, Bartók decided to write a second concerto that would be easier to play!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In full agreement with this analysis by Jerome Kohl above, I feel the responsibility of having introduced this evidently factually corrupt text in translation now compels me to remove it until its contents can be adequately sourcesd and verified. The text as it stood at this point has been removed to: Here, together with the text of a classicsonline article which seems to have been a source for the original author. I will leave this information on the present page for the benefit of anyone wishing to make use of it in compiling a correctly sourced article.Eebahgum (talk) 21:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that no one in 1947 was under any misapprehension about the prior performance history of Bartók's Second Concerto. Foldes's performance was not claimed to be even the US premiere, let alone a world premiere, and this is clearly stated in the New York Times review of the concert by "R. P." This is also stated (though not quite so unambiguously) by Alan Kozinn, in his 1992 obituary for Foldes. Whoever wrote the German Wikipedia article clearly got hold of the wrong end of the stick, probably by misreading third-hand reports. I have added this information to the article. How much of the remaining material from the translation from the German ought to be restored, I leave to other hands.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I, also, leave this to other hands. Eebahgum (talk) 07:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The German author[edit]

I asked the German author about his sources. The last question on his user page - April 2008, unfortunately - was the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The author answered the question in an amiable way after the holidays. He knew Foldes personally. He changed the German article a bit, and I am ready to be a contact person for a further collaboration on the subject that deserves it. But I will have to study myself first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]