Talk:Aos Sí

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References[edit]

The References section here seems a bit excessive, to say the least. It takes up literally half the page. TiffyWiki (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Aids to pronunciation would help the reader in the English Wikipedia. --Wetman 00:34, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is an aid to pronunciation for this article, using the International Phonetic Alphabet for English, which is the standard used on Wikipedia. If you're not familar with the IPA it's linked in the article. --Nicknack009 01:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of this article is wrong, I'm pretty sure. The sídhe themselves are mounds – the enchanted mounds under which the Tuatha Dé fled after the conquest of the sons of Míl. The people of the sídhe are exactly that – in Irish, áes sídhe (or bean sídhe in the case of the women, fear sídhe in the case of the men). Bean, fear, aos simply mean "woman, man, people" in Irish. Quartier Latin1968

03:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Later, due to a corruption of the meaning, both the mounds and the supernatural entities (i.e. sprites) became known as the síd, modern Irish sídhe --SheeEttin 18:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw that, but I still think it would be better to define sídhe with ‘fairy mound’ as the primary meaning and then explain that it's been extended to the inhabitants of those mounds by metonomy. It seems backwards the current way. Quartier Latin1968

13:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I addressed the hill/people issue somewhat while adding the "siodhe" information I found in a dusty scottish gaelic dictionary at the University of Texas at Austin, although I don't have the book information handy anymore. "siodhe" appears to specifically be the mound reference, and "sidhe" was listed as "peace", supporting the perception that the latter was a euphemism. I also added the references to the Fir Bolg and Milesians, based on research in an Irish Faerie Faith class from ages back. If anyone can provide a hard reference for the "siodhe" spelling, that would be appreciated, although I'll look for that book eventually when I'm on campus again. C. Alex. North-Keys 18:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History of the sídh[edit]

The history of the Sí got muddled slightly in the middle ages, and it became part of the lore that they were among the angels exciled from heaven for siding with the devil himself and/or not picking a side. I'm reluctant to add this information as although I have a source for it, I have been unable to locate the full text and I'd much prefere a read through before editing the article, its TUATHA DE AS FALLEN ANGELS published way back in 1932, its also explains why the Sí have white blood, I really want to help spruce up theses Irish folklore articles a bit. --Meirleach 00:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dáithí Ó hÓgáin, the associate professor of folklore at Dublin's university college, notes the same in his The Lord Of Ireland: An Encylopaedia of Myth, Legend and Romance. I believe the article "TUATHA DE AS FALLEN ANGELS" was by someone named Ó Raithbheartaigh, but I'm not clear on that. Anyhow, I would added the info. SeanAisteach 02:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the purpose of my edit was to merge teh two articles fairy mound and sidhet pge gether Smith Jones 01:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sídhe also means wind[edit]

The short sentence "The word 'sídhe' is also Gaelic for wind." was removed with the comment "undo, relevance??" (See Revision history of Aos Sí) It followed the more common usages of the word. To be complete I think all means of the word should be presented in Wikipedia just as all means of a word belong in the Wiktionary.

An appeal to authority is never a valid form of argument, but the reference citation was to Yeats, without whom I wonder how many Irish words or old ways would be in Wikipedia at all? Cathbhadh III (TALK) 16:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need to include all possible uses of the word, especially if it's just in the intro and not discussed in the body of the article.Cúchullain ^t/c 17:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I was curt, I'm going through a grumpy patch as I spend most of my time policing articles these days rather than editing. I don't know of anything in Yeats bio that would make me believe he's a credible authority on etymology. Anyone can speculate on the origins of words using a dictionary but it rarely leads to scholarly insight. That's what I meant with the Polish/polish comment. Just because two words look the same does not mean that their derivation is the same and random similarities are hardly noteworthy. Akerbeltz (talk) 18:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cúchullain is right about the need to discuss this other meaning of 'sídhe' in the body of the article if it is in the intro. I am sure I can find a number of examples in both mythology and folklore, but I do not want to put in the effort to search out references if it just going to be deleted. "Like the wind they come, and like the wind they go" comes to mind right away, but that is from an old Grateful Dead song! LOL

"Sí, shee, and sídhe" are, I believe, variant spellings of the same basic Irish word; while 'sídhe' as enchanted beings and 'sídhe' as a gust of wind are not so much homonyms, nor even a double entendre, as they are different aspects of the same word, much as round and red are to an apple. Etymology aside, both usages/meanings of this word should be explained in an article about this word, in my opinion. Cathbhadh III (TALK) 21:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Only if it pertains to the topic. And just because "wind" and fairies are mentioned in the same line, that means nothing. That's akin to Lucy van Pelt trying to convince Linus he has to get her a xmas present because she found the word "sister" in the Bible.

And if you think "shee" is an Irish word, then I'm beginning to see the problem, as it's an impossible combination of letters for the language. Find a credible linguistic source that says that the word sídh(e) "fairy" is related in meaning and root to the word sídh(e) "wind" and we can take this further. Otherwise it's complete conjecture, no matter how much you'd like it to be true. Akerbeltz (talk) 21:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Types[edit]

The current section "Types" seems strange to me. Why begin the section as a list of varieties of Aos Sí, only to abandon it after two and confine the rest to a list of links to other articles, among which banshee can be found? I might edit this later on in the week if no one else gets to it. ViolaCola (talk) 22:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

I am proposing that Daoine maithe be merged to Aos Sí. From the information on both articles, it seems like these are just two different terms for the same group of supernatural creatures. Even the "Types" listed on each article appear to be largely the same. Looking up some information also seems to support the idea that "Daoine maithe" is just one of the many euphemisms used to talk about the "fairies" in Irish folklore. If this is correct, then it does not really make sense to have an entirely separate article just to describe another term for the same topic, and the information and sources from Daoine maithe that are not already present here should be merged into the main article. Rorshacma (talk) 16:41, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 11:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aesir[edit]

Surely a reference to the 'Aesir' - the pantheon of Gods in Norse mythology should be added? Can't be a coincidence that the names are so similar 80.189.108.251 (talk) 23:30, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]