Talk:Arab Orthodox Movement

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I have been thinking of creating this article for years now, and I could appreciate some help from editors who may be familiar with this topic. This article provides a good overview and can be used to organize the structure. Possible sources to be used: [1], [2], [3], [4]. @Zero0000:, @Huldra:, @Oncenawhile:, @Iskandar323:. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

By Arabization, do you mean the process by which the original Arabization of Palestine's Christian population came about in the first place? Because if so, I wonder if sources on the subject might be a bit few and far between. The sources that look at this, including the above, seem largely focused on the 20th-century real estate dispute angle. Here's another: Iskandar323 (talk) 14:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Arabization of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem which is dominated by Greek clerics; aka Arabization of the clerics and thus of the patriarchate's policies in land sales, and other policies. It is more than about real estate, it is a democratic movement in which the patriarchate's members (Arab Christkians of Jordan and Palestine) have a say in the administration of their own church (real estate and everything else). Known in Arabic usually as the Orthodox Cause, القضية الارثوذكسية. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I am afraid I know next to nothing about the subject; it would be straight in the interests of User:Tiamut, if she was ever to return to en.wp :/ Huldra (talk) 22:28, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I've expanded on the background for basic information, which could help editors unfamiliar with the topic. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

@Zero0000:, @Huldra:, @Oncenawhile:, @Iskandar323: The draft is ready for publishing in case anyone has any feedback, on the lede at least. Will publish tomorrow. Also article needs some more pictures. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

My initial impression is the lead is a little too long, and would benefit from reduction. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

The different components of the lead: ideological background, history of tensions and present situation also seemed a little mixed between the paragraphs - I've restructured the lead a bit to more clearly distinguish these. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

It's a tricky history but you did a better job than me in organizing the lede. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 06:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the Arab Orthodox Movement aims to Arabize the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, a church whose laity is mostly Arab but led by Greek clergy? Source: https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&id=9Y0CqJjN2O0C&q=arab+orthodox+movement#v=snippet&q=arab%20orthodox%20movement&f=false
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Created by Makeandtoss (talk). Self-nominated at 11:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC).

• New enough and long enough. Well cited, although the citation system is odd. QPQ done. Hook is sourced and the right length. @Makeandtoss: I think it's interesting, but it might be more interesting if it said "whose laity is mostly Arab and clergy mostly Greek" (or something to that effect) at the end. Thoughts? Srnec (talk) 20:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed and edited as suggested @Srnec:.Makeandtoss (talk) 09:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Good to go. Srnec (talk) 00:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

@Srnec and Makeandtoss: Where in the article does it say that the laity is mostly Arab? Sojourner in the earth (talk) 11:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Sojourner in the earth: Implicitly mentioned in several places but now edited and there’s an explicit mention in both lede and background. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you confirm that the source given in both places (Robson 2011, p. 77) directly supports this claim? Sojourner in the earth (talk) 13:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

From p. 77: "The Greek Orthodox Church in Palestine itself, though, had long been foreign-dominated. The clerical hierarchy, who were entirely Greek and Greek-speaking . . . The Palestinian laity, who were ethnically Arab and Arabic-speaking . . ." We could remove the word "mostly", which only makes the claim stronger. Srnec (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

That seems alright – better not remove "mostly" though. Thanks. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 19:58, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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@Al Ameer son: Forgot to tag you prior when I created the article, you probably would find this within your scope of interests. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: Just read through it. You have done excellent work with this interesting article—it was an education for me. Not sure how much I can contribute, content-wise, but I hope you have plans towards GA nomination and beyond. Al Ameer (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)