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Bias[edit]

My edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ariana&oldid=891695410) was reverted by someone saying "random" websites are unreliable. But those sources I provided were not just random, they are pretty well documented. Also by reverting this, there is the interpretational bias, as there is no longer a mention of 'Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan' in the lead paragraph. By omitting these (which are mentioned in the given source), it creates a clear bias and that is not fair.

In the second revert, this person claims that it's "unnecessary" to mention Ariana Afghan Airlines and contemporary usage of the term. I can't see how this is unnecessary, as it demonstrates the legacy of this ancient topic in today's world. I'm sure a normal wikipedia article like this would have a dedicated Legacy section showing info similar to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ιανήιανή (talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits were not an improvement, and again, for the third time, using random websites such as https://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/afghan_name.asp as citations is not constructive. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading[edit]

The opening is very misleading as it does not describe ariana but a short period of Achaemenid Empire. The civilization like bactrian should be mentioned in the opening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:A411:175C:6F98:951A (talk) 21:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please make some changes or discuss it in here.

I think that was intended as a dispute of this article being the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Ariana (disambiguation). I have no opinion, but this seems wiorthy of discussion here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the best would be no mention of Achaemenid Empire in the opening section, (it is already mentioned in detail among other empires down below.) As it indicates (wrongly) that ariana was "always" an eastern province of persian empire which is technically wrong. Hope the positive changes are made.

Again, I'm just guessing here, but I take the thrust of this to be suggesting that Ariana (name) might be a better WP:CRITERIA choice in WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY than what the initial sentence of this article introduces as: Ariana the Latinized form of the Ancient Greek Ἀρ(ε)ιανή Ar(e)ianē (inhabitants: Ariani; Ἀρ(ε)ιανοί Ar(e)ianoi),^[1] was a general geographical term used by some Greek and Roman authors of the ancient period for a district of wide extent between Central Asia^[2] and the Indus River,^[3] comprising the eastern provinces of the Achaemenid Empire^[4] that covered the whole of modern-day Afghanistan, as well as the easternmost part of Iran and up to the Indus River in Pakistan (former Northern India).^[5]^[6]But I'm not making an argument either way. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On that i mostly agree with you, there is a fault here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:18CA:8C21:379A:5A9D (talk) 17:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from the opening paragraph;

"Ariana, the Latinized form of the Ancient Greek Ἀρ(ε)ιανή Ar(e)ianē (inhabitants: Ariani; Ἀρ(ε)ιανοί Ar(e)ianoi), was a general geographical term used by some Greek and Roman authors of the ancient period for a district of wide extent between Central Asia and the Indus River, comprising the eastern provinces of the Achaemenid Empire that covered the whole of modern-day Afghanistan, as well as the easternmost part of Iran and up to the Indus River in Pakistan (former Northern India)."

You will need to assess whether those "Greek and Roman authors" used the Achaemenid Empire as a frame of reference when referring to Ariana. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Pliny, Naturalis Historia, book vi, page 23
^ Smith, William (1980). "Ariana". Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography. Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. pp. 210–211. Retrieved 2013-05-10.
^ Schmitt, R. (1986). "Aria". Encyclopaedia Iranica. Retrieved 2013-05-10.
^ Lewis, Charlton T.; Short, Charles. "Ărĭāna". A Latin Dictionary. Perseus Digital Library. Retrieved 2013-05-10.
^ The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2008
^ Sagar, Krishna Chandra (1 January 1992). Foreign Influence on Ancient India. Northern Book Centre. p. 91. ISBN 9788172110284. According to Strabo (c. 54 B.C., A.D. 24), who refers to the authority of Apollodorus of Artemia, the Greeks of Bactria became masters of Ariana, a vague term roughly indicating the eastern districts of the Persian empire, and of India.

I think these two sources and a famous book will help.

https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsFarEast/AsiaAria.htm

https://www.wdl.org/en/item/16799/

the book section is on works of Eratosthenes ( who is the main source here.) https://books.google.no/books?id=8peKyWK_SWsC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=Eratosthenes++ariana&source=bl&ots=OsJjvqtUWE&sig=ACfU3U3hmhxaCRVJBpcQJ_lBX8OirlosOw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjiiuu20bbpAhWhyKYKHY4gD0YQ6AEwEnoECA0QAQ#v=onepage&q=Eratosthenes%20%20ariana&f=false Hope the positive change is made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:DCCC:22A:FF83:48B4 (talk) 19:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Pliny, Naturalis Historia, book vi, page 23

[W._Smith,_1870,_'Ariana'-2] Smith, William (1980). "Ariana". Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography. Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. pp. 210–211. Retrieved 2013-05-10.

[Schmitt1986-3] Schmitt, R. (1986). "Aria". Encyclopaedia Iranica. Retrieved 2013-05-10.

[4] Lewis, Charlton T.; Short, Charles. "Ărĭāna". A Latin Dictionary. Perseus Digital Library. Retrieved 2013-05-10.

[ReferenceA-5] The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2008

[Sagar1992-6] Sagar, Krishna Chandra (1 January 1992). Foreign Influence on Ancient India. Northern Book Centre. p. 91. ISBN 9788172110284. According to Strabo (c. 54 B.C., A.D. 24), who refers to the authority of Apollodorus of Artemia, the Greeks of Bactria became masters of Ariana, a vague term roughly indicating the eastern districts of the Persian empire, and of India.

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